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31lengths 06-27-2006 05:52 PM

OT- Peter Gammons.
 
ESPN's Peter Gammons is undergoing surgery this afternoon for an aneurysm in his brain.
Gammons was stricken earlier today and was taken to a Boston-area hospital. He is expected to be in intensive care for the next 10 to 12 days. It'll be a far less interesting trade deadline if Gammons isn't ready to spread some rumors. Hopefully, a speedy recovery is on the way. Jun. 27 - 6:35 pm et
Source: Boston Globe

timmgirvan 06-27-2006 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 31lengths
ESPN's Peter Gammons is undergoing surgery this afternoon for an aneurysm in his brain.
Gammons was stricken earlier today and was taken to a Boston-area hospital. He is expected to be in intensive care for the next 10 to 12 days. It'll be a far less interesting trade deadline if Gammons isn't ready to spread some rumors. Hopefully, a speedy recovery is on the way. Jun. 27 - 6:35 pm et
Source: Boston Globe

Gammons is a good guy for my money..and prayerfully he'll recover and get back to living a good life!

Thunder Gulch 06-27-2006 06:08 PM

He's a top notch reporter with contacts out the wazoo...I wish he was commissioner instead of Bud-light

1st_Saturday_in_May 06-27-2006 06:27 PM

Man, that stinks. I really enjoy hearing what he has to say, because like TG said he has a ****load of contacts in every front office in the league. Hope he is able to fully recover!!

blackthroatedwind 06-27-2006 06:34 PM

And he likes Pearl Jam.

Here's hoping he has a full recovery.

eurobounce 06-27-2006 07:50 PM

Peter has so many contacts because he is a 1st rate reporter. Doesnt talk bad about anyone, doesnt reveal his sources and he doesnt just make stuff up. I wish Gammons well, his passion and knowledge of the game is truly special. Gammons, Reynolds and Kruk are just awesome together.

Gander 06-27-2006 08:23 PM

Couldnt agree more Euro. I love them all. Best on any network in any sport.

God bless Peter Gammons and get him through this. We need him, hes great for the sport.

Gander 06-27-2006 08:24 PM

Peter Gammons knows more about baseball than anyone should know about anything.

eurobounce 06-27-2006 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Peter Gammons knows more about baseball than anyone should know about anything.

That is so true. Sometimes he knows so much that he doesnt know what to do. Then once he gets started it is hard to slow him down. But those three on baseball tonight and you could Joe Morgan in there are just so knowledgable about the sport that it isnt even funny.

Exceller 06-28-2006 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Peter Gammons knows more about baseball than anyone should know about anything.

True, but Gammons is a reporter, not some who is in the arena. Remember, the guys that play are the ones that deserve the credit. GM's are the ones who take the risks, Gammons just is an observer. I like Gammons but he is too close to the Red Sox for my liking. Journalists shouldn't bet that involved with one team.

Suffolk Shippers 06-28-2006 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Exceller
True, but Gammons is a reporter, not some who is in the arena. Remember, the guys that play are the ones that deserve the credit. GM's are the ones who take the risks, Gammons just is an observer. I like Gammons but he is too close to the Red Sox for my liking. Journalists shouldn't bet that involved with one team.

Gammons heart may lie with the Red Sox, but he is not some schill for the organization. He takes his fair share of shots when he disagrees with something they do. He also praises them when they do good things. Peter is more impartial than many. He love of the Red Sox is one of the things that makes him such a great reporter. He loves the Red Sox because he loves baseball and thats the team he grew up with.

Notice I said "loves baseball". I had the pleasure to meet Mr Gammons two summers ago at a Cape Cod League baseball game. The only thing he loves more than baseball, is his wife, Gloria. Sports needs more reporters like Gammons who have an overwhelming passion for the game, dont pull punches and who report fair and accurate.

Peter, know you probably wont see this, but I'm praying for you and hope to see you on the Cape sooner rather than later!

Exceller 06-28-2006 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers
Gammons heart may lie with the Red Sox, but he is not some schill for the organization. He takes his fair share of shots when he disagrees with something they do. He also praises them when they do good things. Peter is more impartial than many. He love of the Red Sox is one of the things that makes him such a great reporter. He loves the Red Sox because he loves baseball and thats the team he grew up with.

Notice I said "loves baseball". I had the pleasure to meet Mr Gammons two summers ago at a Cape Cod League baseball game. The only thing he loves more than baseball, is his wife, Gloria. Sports needs more reporters like Gammons who have an overwhelming passion for the game, dont pull punches and who report fair and accurate.

Peter, know you probably wont see this, but I'm praying for you and hope to see you on the Cape sooner rather than later!

The guys is cutting an album with Theo Epstein, too close for my liking. Saying Gammons is not biased is just wrong. He is an excellent reporter, but his red sox allegiance comes through. I am guessing the Red Sox fans don't see it. Let me guess, you are a Red Sox fan.

Crown@club 06-28-2006 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Exceller
True, but Gammons is a reporter, not some who is in the arena. Remember, the guys that play are the ones that deserve the credit. GM's are the ones who take the risks, Gammons just is an observer. I like Gammons but he is too close to the Red Sox for my liking. Journalists shouldn't bet that involved with one team.

Gammons is the most respected baseball reporter in the business. Scouts, GM's, etc. call him. His cell phone rings off the hook. He is the most trusted of them all. He tells it like it is. He hardly ever has anything bad to say about anyone (he does have reservations on the steroid boys - as he is a member of the BWA that votes). I email him for some news that he has heard from around the league, so I can use to post with my fellow roto-writers. I've only met one fellow writer, who can't stand him, and uses his columns to contradict his every word. Unfortunately he is a part of my roto-crew.

Exceller 06-28-2006 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club
Gammons is the most respected baseball reporter in the business. Scouts, GM's, etc. call him. His cell phone rings off the hook. He is the most trusted of them all. He tells it like it is. He hardly ever has anything bad to say about anyone (he does have reservations on the steroid boys - as he is a member of the BWA that votes). I email him for some news that he has heard from around the league, so I can use to post with my fellow roto-writers. I've only met one fellow writer, who can't stand him, and uses his columns to contradict his every word. Unfortunately he is a part of my roto-crew.

I guess you aren't biased either? LOL. Gammons is part of the problem with baseball. That guy is supposed to be a journalist and he is nothing more than a pawn of the owners. WHERE IS THE STEROID STORY FROM GAMMONS? The "journalist of baseball" just forgets about the cheating.

A kid who used to play for the Red Sox came out this week and said everyone there is taking them. WHERE IS THE STEROID STORY ON THE RED SOX from Gammons?

Downthestretch55 06-28-2006 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Exceller
I guess you aren't biased either? LOL. Gammons is part of the problem with baseball. That guy is supposed to be a journalist and he is nothing more than a pawn of the owners. WHERE IS THE STEROID STORY FROM GAMMONS? The "journalist of baseball" just forgets about the cheating.

A kid who used to play for the Red Sox came out this week and said everyone there is taking them. WHERE IS THE STEROID STORY ON THE RED SOX from Gammons?

He's not writing the story. He has had a brain aneurism surgery.
Read the thread.
Prayers for him.


Must be a liberal secret agenda otherwise.

Gander 06-28-2006 10:29 AM

I only watch him on Baseball Tonight and I dont see much of a bias coming through. I am a huge Red Sox fan but also follow many of the other games every night. Gammons is anything but bad for the game. Thats a ridiculous thing to say, especially at a time like this.

Exceller 06-28-2006 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander
I only watch him on Baseball Tonight and I dont see much of a bias coming through. I am a huge Red Sox fan but also follow many of the other games every night. Gammons is anything but bad for the game. Thats a ridiculous thing to say, especially at a time like this.

There was obviously a steroid story in the Red Sox clubhouse. Gammons just looked the other way. The kid that played for them in 2000 said they were everywhere. I have heard Gammons comment plenty on steroids, just not about the connection to the Red Sox. If it was there, which everyone knows it was, he must not have been doing his job or he just looked the other way.

Exceller 06-28-2006 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
He's not writing the story. He has had a brain aneurism surgery.
Read the thread.
Prayers for him.


Must be a liberal secret agenda otherwise.

I am well aware of what happenned to him. The steroids were rampant in the Red Sox clubhouse in 2000 and he never once mentioned it. He is a pawn of the owners. These so called journalists are really nothing more than fans who look the other way to keep their high paying jobs and keep their sources in baseball. Gammons cares about Gammons, not the steroid problem that has moved to high schools and colleges.

Any guy who depends on sources like he does knew what was going on. He just looked the other way.

Crown@club 06-28-2006 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Exceller
I guess you aren't biased either? LOL. Gammons is part of the problem with baseball. That guy is supposed to be a journalist and he is nothing more than a pawn of the owners. WHERE IS THE STEROID STORY FROM GAMMONS? The "journalist of baseball" just forgets about the cheating.

A kid who used to play for the Red Sox came out this week and said everyone there is taking them. WHERE IS THE STEROID STORY ON THE RED SOX from Gammons?

Right now, I'm checking on this so-called story that apparently no one has heard of before. Its not my job anyways to report this information. What readers want from me is information on what their players, and player's team are planning on doing.

Plus I've been reading you for a while. And I have to wonder, if someone doesn't agree with you, do you always charge, that they are biased or gullable, or some other juvenile response?

Betsy 06-28-2006 10:43 AM

I'm a Yankee fan and I love Peter Gammons. It doesn't matter what team you're a fan of now; when I read this on this board, I was shocked. I'm praying that he makes a full recovery.

As for whether he's biased or not, I definitely don't think so (though my Yankee fan bretheren think he is), but I still don't think that a debate on that belongs here. Even if he is biased, so what? The man came close to dying and is not yet out of the woods.

Exceller 06-28-2006 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club
Right now, I'm checking on this so-called story that apparently no one has heard of before. Its not my job anyways to report this information. What readers want from me is information on what their players, and player's team are planning on doing.

Plus I've been reading you for a while. And I have to wonder, if someone doesn't agree with you, do you always charge, that they are biased or gullable, or some other juvenile response?

Gammons lives on inside information. That is why he is who he is. If you want to believe he didn't know steroids were rampant in baseball go ahead. That guy knows everything. He just looks the other way when it benefits him. That is not being a journalist, that is being a pawn of the owners. Steroids would have been out of baseball long ago if people like Gammons did their job.

Exceller 06-28-2006 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club
Gammons is the most respected baseball reporter in the business. Scouts, GM's, etc. call him. His cell phone rings off the hook. He is the most trusted of them all. He tells it like it is. He hardly ever has anything bad to say about anyone (he does have reservations on the steroid boys - as he is a member of the BWA that votes). I email him for some news that he has heard from around the league, so I can use to post with my fellow roto-writers. I've only met one fellow writer, who can't stand him, and uses his columns to contradict his every word. Unfortunately he is a part of my roto-crew.


Yeah, he tells it like it is. He just looked past the steroids story. He kept his mouth shut to keep getting inside info from Scouts, GM's, etc. I like journalist that are honest and dig for stories, not ones who keep quiet in order to get information.

Downthestretch55 06-28-2006 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsy
I'm a Yankee fan and I love Peter Gammons. It doesn't matter what team you're a fan of now; when I read this on this board, I was shocked. I'm praying that he makes a full recovery.

As for whether he's biased or not, I definitely don't think so (though my Yankee fan bretheren think he is), but I still don't think that a debate on that belongs here. Even if he is biased, so what? The man came close to dying and is not yet out of the woods.

Well said Betsy.

Exceller 06-28-2006 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsy
I'm a Yankee fan and I love Peter Gammons. It doesn't matter what team you're a fan of now; when I read this on this board, I was shocked. I'm praying that he makes a full recovery.

As for whether he's biased or not, I definitely don't think so (though my Yankee fan bretheren think he is), but I still don't think that a debate on that belongs here. Even if he is biased, so what? The man came close to dying and is not yet out of the woods.

I guess all the young people that might die from steroid use are no big deal because they aren't a celeb like Gammons. He obviously wasn't too concerned about them.

Exceller 06-28-2006 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Well said Betsy.

DTS, you should take ArlJims advice and get back on your meds. LOL.

Gander 06-28-2006 11:02 AM

Young people stupid enough to use steroids have cut out their own destinies. I have trouble feeling sorry for them. They shouldnt depend on a journalist to help save them for whatever comes there way. Cant blame a guy who is just trying to make a living.

Exceller 06-28-2006 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Young people stupid enough to use steroids have cut out their own destinies. I have trouble feeling sorry for them. They shouldnt depend on a journalist to help save them for whatever comes there way. Cant blame a guy who is just trying to make a living.

Journalists need to do their job and report stories. Same garbage goes on in Washington. People get away with crap because journalists look the other way so they can get an invite to a party. Ridiculous.

Betsy 06-28-2006 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Exceller
I guess all the young people that might die from steroid use are no big deal because they aren't a celeb like Gammons. He obviously wasn't too concerned about them.

Yeah, because kids using Steroids is Peter's fault - the only ones to blame are the kids themselves. Sorry - at some point, they have to take responsibility for their actions.

I find it funny that you're getting on Peter's case (because he didn't pursue a story hard enough, as if he lacks some moral fiber), at a time when he is seriously ill. Seems like a contradiction to me.

Gander 06-28-2006 11:19 AM

Well I can see your point to a degree but with everything that has been put out there in the last 10 years on steroids, I hardly blame Peter Gammons for contributing to the young people's steroid use. Any high school athlete that uses steroids isnt worth the piss that comes out of his you know what. Sorry, but its just the truth. It would be like me going home doing and 8 ball of coke and wanting people to feel sorry for me when my heart explodes.

Downthestretch55 06-28-2006 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Exceller
DTS, you should take ArlJims advice and get back on your meds. LOL.

Enough of your insults.
I don't need meds...you do.
Plenty have responded to your rants.
You need help, Exceller.
If anyone disagrees with your narrow mindset, you don't state facts about the topic that you disagree with, just bring out your insults and judgements.
btw, nice compassion for a guy that has had brain surgery....


"Give a dog a bone...doesn't let go!"

I won't be responding to any more of your threads.
It's a waste.
DTS

Exceller 06-28-2006 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Enough of your insults.
I don't need meds...you do.
Plenty have responded to your rants.
You need help, Exceller.
If anyone disagrees with your narrow mindset, you don't state facts about the topic that you disagree with, just bring out your insults and judgements.
btw, nice compassion for a guy that has had brain surgery....


"Give a dog a bone...doesn't let go!"

I won't be responding to any more of your threads.
It's a waste.
DTS

Oh no, not that. I hope I will be able to sleep tonight. Maybe I can borrow some of your meds. LOL.

Exceller 06-28-2006 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Young people stupid enough to use steroids have cut out their own destinies. I have trouble feeling sorry for them. They shouldnt depend on a journalist to help save them for whatever comes there way. Cant blame a guy who is just trying to make a living.

How about a journalist just giving us the truth. Gammons knows everything that goes on in baseball. He just covered it up.

Suffolk Shippers 06-28-2006 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Exceller
There was obviously a steroid story in the Red Sox clubhouse. Gammons just looked the other way. The kid that played for them in 2000 said they were everywhere. I have heard Gammons comment plenty on steroids, just not about the connection to the Red Sox. If it was there, which everyone knows it was, he must not have been doing his job or he just looked the other way.

Well, this is all just false. A borderline rookie prospect doing HGH and steroids in the Red Sox clubhouse does not constititue the entire clubhouse doing it. Even if they did, peep the standings for 2000, the Sox were bad. This player was a fringe prospect, Paxton Crawford. No reporter ever blew the whistle on steroids, Gammons or otherwise. Other than Paxton Crawford and Manny Alexander THERE IS NO WAY TO STIPULATE THIS AS A SCANDAL. I'll repeat, Paxton Crawford and Manny Alexander, who combined have done as much in the majors as I have.

There was also a mention of him covering for the owners, which in 2000 was the Yawkey Trust, and not the same people who own them now, so that arguement has no weight either.

If we are going to harp on the Red Sox steroid scandal, of which there seems to be very little, where was Mike Vaccaro or Mike Lupica to enlighten the world on Jason Giambi or Gary Sheffield? Or any reporter IN ANY CITY covering any team? Where were any of them?

To paraphrase Gammons when you go back and look at jackasses like Giambi, Paxton Crawford, Jason Grimsley, Barry Bonds, Gary Sheffield, the whole bunch of the abusers, it makes you appreciate the raw ability and talent of people like Derek Jeter, Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Jason Bay, Jonathon Papelbon, ARod, David Ortiz, Manny Ramierz, Jim Thome, all the guys who make baseball great.

Downthestretch55 06-28-2006 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Exceller
Oh no, not that. I hope I will be able to sleep tonight. Maybe I can borrow some of your meds. LOL.

The best you could come up with?
Pathetic.
LMFAO!!!!!!!

Exceller 06-28-2006 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
The best you could come up with?
Pathetic.
LMFAO!!!!!!!

I thought you were ignoring me. Don't you have to figure out if me ARLJIM, BR, STS, and GANDER or whovever else it was is the Kingoftufway. What are you bipolar or just an obsessive lunatic?

Exceller 06-28-2006 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers
Well, this is all just false. A borderline rookie prospect doing HGH and steroids in the Red Sox clubhouse does not constititue the entire clubhouse doing it. Even if they did, peep the standings for 2000, the Sox were bad. This player was a fringe prospect, Paxton Crawford. No reporter ever blew the whistle on steroids, Gammons or otherwise. Other than Paxton Crawford and Manny Alexander THERE IS NO WAY TO STIPULATE THIS AS A SCANDAL. I'll repeat, Paxton Crawford and Manny Alexander, who combined have done as much in the majors as I have.

There was also a mention of him covering for the owners, which in 2000 was the Yawkey Trust, and not the same people who own them now, so that arguement has no weight either.

If we are going to harp on the Red Sox steroid scandal, of which there seems to be very little, where was Mike Vaccaro or Mike Lupica to enlighten the world on Jason Giambi or Gary Sheffield? Or any reporter IN ANY CITY covering any team? Where were any of them?

To paraphrase Gammons when you go back and look at jackasses like Giambi, Paxton Crawford, Jason Grimsley, Barry Bonds, Gary Sheffield, the whole bunch of the abusers, it makes you appreciate the raw ability and talent of people like Derek Jeter, Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Jason Bay, Jonathon Papelbon, ARod, David Ortiz, Manny Ramierz, Jim Thome, all the guys who make baseball great.

Fine, the Sox have no guys using steroids. Anyway you look at it, a guy with the inside info of Gammons knew steroids were rampant in baseball and he just forgot to mention it. Can't argue with that. I guess it is more important to be in the know than to tell the truth.

Downthestretch55 06-28-2006 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Exceller
I thought you were ignoring me. Don't you have to figure out if me ARLJIM, BR, STS, and GANDER or whovever else it was is the Kingoftufway. What are you bipolar or just an obsessive lunatic?

Oh yeah! "Obsessive lunatic"...more name calling.
Give your insults a rest already, troll.

SentToStud 06-28-2006 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Exceller
Fine, the Sox have no guys using steroids. Anyway you look at it, a guy with the inside info of Gammons knew steroids were rampant in baseball and he just forgot to mention it. Can't argue with that. I guess it is more important to be in the know than to tell the truth.

You're a ****ing idiot.

Exceller 06-28-2006 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
You're a ****ing idiot.

Truth hurts. More steroid defenders. I guess you like cheaters. Drugs ruined baseball and now the are ruining horse racing.

SentToStud 06-28-2006 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Exceller
Truth hurts. More steroid defenders. I guess you like cheaters. Drugs ruined baseball and now the are ruining horse racing.

Nah, not true. There will always be people who try to cheat. Doesn't change the fact you're still a stupid ****ing idiot.


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