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Riot 04-26-2007 11:19 AM

Leparoux to ride Sedgefield in Derby
 
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Cajungator26 04-26-2007 11:24 AM

I want Bridgmohan on Zanjero... wonder if he'll get the mount?

Bobby Fischer 04-26-2007 11:25 AM

Leparoux gets a mount and possible future mounts for a horse that can run over synthetic surface.

ateamstupid 04-26-2007 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I want Bridgmohan on Zanjero... wonder if he'll get the mount?

That's the first time I've ever heard someone desire the services of Shaun Bridgmohan.

blackthroatedwind 04-26-2007 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
That's the first time I've ever heard someone desire the services of Shaun Bridgmohan.


Coupled with the big news about who's riding Sedgefield this thread is quickly turning into a must read.

cakes44 04-26-2007 11:43 AM

Guidry on Zanjero would be a good fit. I don't know if Dirty Steve and him hook up regularly though.

blackthroatedwind 04-26-2007 11:47 AM

The only thing that could help Zanjero is someone with a jet pack.

slotdirt 04-26-2007 11:48 AM

The Rocketeer?

cakes44 04-26-2007 11:53 AM

Zanjero does have a bad case of the slows, but he could easily clunk up for 3rd or 4th with a great trip. There's almost always one "turd in the punchbowl" of the Derby trifecta.

blackthroatedwind 04-26-2007 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
The Rocketeer?


Well, if Jennifer Connelly was riding him I guess he would suddenly become MUCH more interesting.

PPerfectfan 04-26-2007 11:55 AM

What the hell is Sedgefield doing in the Derby to start with??? Derby fever strikes agian. Boy the 4th on the turf, last out must have really been something! :rolleyes:

Unstable 04-26-2007 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
The Rocketeer?

They could get Roberto Gonzalez from Northern California. He's know as "the Rocket."

Cajungator26 04-26-2007 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
That's the first time I've ever heard someone desire the services of Shaun Bridgmohan.

He had a couple of good rides on Zanjero. I realize Zanjero is slow, but he may get in there for the super.

blackthroatedwind 04-26-2007 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
He had a couple of good rides on Zanjero. I realize Zanjero is slow, but he may get in there for the super.

He has a much better chance to be in the real super.....the super for 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th.

Or, perhaps you had a dream about this one too.

Cajungator26 04-26-2007 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He has a much better chance to be in the real super.....the super for 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th.

Or, perhaps you had a dream about this one too.

No... only the dream about the winner coming out of the 9 hole. You're safe, Andy. ;)

As for Zanjero, there are slower horses in this field than him IMO.

blackthroatedwind 04-26-2007 12:13 PM

There are slower horses....but more " faster " horses.

robfla 04-26-2007 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Well, if Jennifer Connelly was riding him I guess he would suddenly become MUCH more interesting.

if Jennifer Connelly was riding ME --- I guess that would suddenly become MUCH more interesting

Cajungator26 04-26-2007 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
There are slower horses....but more " faster " horses.

Of course.

ArlJim78 04-26-2007 12:18 PM

don't forget Zanjero's unblemished record in graded stakes of finishing 2nd or third.

SniperSB23 04-26-2007 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He has a much better chance to be in the real super.....the super for 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th.

Or, perhaps you had a dream about this one too.

You really think so? Those last four spots are usually for tiring speed horses. I can't imagine he does much worse than 12th with his running style and I definitely think he could get up for 4th in the end with the right trip and a hot pace. Sedgefield, on the other hand, has absolutely no chance. Even if the race were on turf he wouldn't win it.

blackthroatedwind 04-26-2007 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
You really think so? Those last four spots are usually for tiring speed horses. I can't imagine he does much worse than 12th with his running style and I definitely think he could get up for 4th in the end with the right trip and a hot pace. Sedgefield, on the other hand, has absolutely no chance. Even if the race were on turf he wouldn't win it.


You're probably right, though he is so far behind many contenders that even his clunk up style is highly unlikely to land him in the super. It just feels like the best case people seem to be making for the plethora of bums being discussed for this Derby is " he can help fill out the super ".

SniperSB23 04-26-2007 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You're probably right, though he is so far behind many contenders that even his clunk up style is highly unlikely to land him in the super. It just feels like the best case people seem to be making for the plethora of bums being discussed for this Derby is " he can help fill out the super ".

I'm not high on the horse but think Julien had a heck of a lot better chance of clunking up for the super or fifth place with this horse than with Sedgefield. With Teuflesberg, Stormello, Liquidity, Cobalt Blue, Nochance Cat, and Storm In May in the field the bottom four superfecta is going to be a tough super to crack.

Sightseek 04-26-2007 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You're probably right, though he is so far behind many contenders that even his clunk up style is highly unlikely to land him in the super. It just feels like the best case people seem to be making for the plethora of bums being discussed for this Derby is " he can help fill out the super ".

We are all just glass half-full types. ;)

Cajungator26 04-26-2007 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
We are all just glass half-full types. ;)

That pretty much sums it up.

blackthroatedwind 04-26-2007 12:43 PM

Personally I just don't get all the concern over who rides what horses. For the most part, the riders in the Derby are very good ( OK, Bridgmohan isn't and Jara sucks ), and the horses will do the job in spite of their riders. Most of these riders have little choice and the real choice some make is " do I take a worthless mount just to be in the Derby or do I seek better opportunities out of town ". Leparoux rides at Churchill, so he doesn't want to sit in the room, though after the race he will probably feel differently.

SniperSB23 04-26-2007 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Personally I just don't get all the concern over who rides what horses. For the most part, the riders in the Derby are very good ( OK, Bridgmohan isn't and Jara sucks ), and the horses will do the job in spite of their riders. Most of these riders have little choice and the real choice some make is " do I take a worthless mount just to be in the Derby or do I seek better opportunities out of town ". Leparoux rides at Churchill, so he doesn't want to sit in the room, though after the race he will probably feel differently.

I couldn't care less what horse which jockey is on. The only time I pay attention is when a jockey has a choice of a couple mounts. In this case I think Leparoux made a poor decision to go with Sedgefield over Zanjero. Neither has a shot to win but Zanjero is a much better shot of hitting the top five and cashing a check.

blackthroatedwind 04-26-2007 12:52 PM

The problem is you don't really know why a choice was made. Obviously you are right, that Zanjero is a million times likelier to have any impact on this race than the utterly hopeless Sedgefield, but perhaps there is another reason we don't know.

I learned a lot of things from Drew Mollica and one of them was most assuredly that the vast majority of time jockey's choices are for very different reasons than most people think.

horseofcourse 04-26-2007 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Personally I just don't get all the concern over who rides what horses. For the most part, the riders in the Derby are very good ( OK, Bridgmohan isn't and Jara sucks ), and the horses will do the job in spite of their riders. Most of these riders have little choice and the real choice some make is " do I take a worthless mount just to be in the Derby or do I seek better opportunities out of town ". Leparoux rides at Churchill, so he doesn't want to sit in the room, though after the race he will probably feel differently.

Educate me on Jara. All I know about him is he is young and he rides the best horse in the world, and won the Belmont on a mediocre horse. Won the gotham on some horse last year and now rides Cowtown Cat. I only see him in the big races...what makes him suck to someone who observes him much more than I do??

VOL JACK 04-26-2007 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Personally I just don't get all the concern over who rides what horses. For the most part, the riders in the Derby are very good ( OK, Bridgmohan isn't and Jara sucks ), and the horses will do the job in spite of their riders. Most of these riders have little choice and the real choice some make is " do I take a worthless mount just to be in the Derby or do I seek better opportunities out of town ". Leparoux rides at Churchill, so he doesn't want to sit in the room, though after the race he will probably feel differently.

I was in the paddock @ kee and J.V. had to show Jara how to get to the track through the tunnel. I have no clue why KMc likes the guy so much.

Merlinsky 04-27-2007 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
I was in the paddock @ kee and J.V. had to show Jara how to get to the track through the tunnel. I have no clue why KMc likes the guy so much.

Seems like all he needs to know is how to go around an oval and finish in front at the wire. Doesn't sound like bad race riding yet although you can probably draw conclusions from the tunnel thing. I assume there's a reason for grumbling though so I'm interested to hear it.

I remember having someone tell me about Leparoux when he first came over and I've been following him ever since. Just out of curiosity who's got better English at this point? Him or Jara? I remember one time where they both got post-race interviews with the commentators and I swear, I couldn't catch a word bless their hearts. Seemed like Leparoux was better last time they talked to him. Always an adjustment but they try hard. Guess it's nice being in the position that so many people want to talk to you that you have to learn the language quicker than you might've.


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