Online Wagering
 

This is my first post here...

That espn forum was not very active...lol...

Well, does anybody can help me choosing an internet wagering site?!?

I´ve heard about bodog and pinnacle, but i am not sure which one to choose...

I cannot register on youbet, for instance....since i am not american.

Have you heard about tradesports.com?? Is it good for horse racing?

And pinnacle is good only for horse racing? What about the other sports and events, like the world cup?

WHAT DO I DO????? :D

Thank you!!

What kind of bets do you want to make.We know you want both horse and sports betting,but what kind of horse bets? Win,Place etc.,or exacta,tri,super? Maybe pick3/4? For instance,Pinnacle is good for win betting,and exacta,tri,super,but bad for pick 3/4.

Also,please have your country switch to Spanish,or English(Portuguese is not spoken in very many countries,or did you not notice this?)

First, and I do not mean this snidely, you could do a little research yourself. It's very easy to see that Pinnacle has lots of ways to bet on the World Cup. You do not need an account to see Pinnacle's lines.

If you want just one sportsbook AND you make bets besides horseracing, then Pinnacle is almost certainly your best choice.

However, if you primarily make horseracing bets, then you should consider 5Dimes. This thread makes the case for 5Dimes:
http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=671

Any semi-serious bettor should have accounts at both 5Dimes and Pinnacle. Both books are 1st rate, and have top ratings at Sportsbookreview.com. You can read reviews of both books there, too.

The Tradesports.com option hasn't been discussed here, to my knowledge, but it is a good one. It may be as good as 5Dimes for small-to-medium bettors. It's a bit complicated, though, and I don't want to get into it right now. (I'd have to remember how it works!) It costs nothing to set up an account at Tradesports, though, and you can get a feel for it yourself.

If you do open an account at Pinnacle, open for the most money that you can spare, up to $5000. The 10% bonus you will get on your deposit is the only bonus you are going to get at Pinnacle.

--Dunbar

PS--Scuds was just kidding about the Portuguese. Heck, with both Portugal and Brazil going forward in the World Cup, Portuguese may become a much more popular language!

If you play any other sports, Pinnacle is definately the way to go. Those guys should start paying me a commission with as many times as I have recommended them to others ;) . Seriously though, I do it because it is the best way to go for the player. The rebates on horses and reduced juice on other sports really add up. Don't get caught up in the "bonus" game because bonuses will be gone. The big drawback with Pinnacle is they don't offer wagering over the phone. Has to be all online.

I think i will bet win and place only, scuds! Once in a while an exacta!

So i think, by this point of view that pinnacle is best for me!

About the language...i didnt understand your question...I can read english, so i will bet on sites written in english. Here in brazil there are only betting sites on brazilian races...and i dont want to bet only in these races.

Thank you scuds!!

Thanks Dunbar!

Actually, i did a research myself. But there are some websites that i really didnt know (like 5dimes), since almost nobody here know or use this kind of service

Another point is that there are some kind of exotic bets that here in brazil doesnt exist or have another name (like pick 3, pick 6, etc) and i dont know what they mean exactly....

Finally, there are some rebates and bonuses on these sites....i will take a deep look on them...because i have lots of doubts

I post this thread to know different sites that i had never heard about them before...like 5dimes...and mainly to get the opinion from people who use them! So i can evaluate your opinion....I dont want you to do the research i am supposed to do...

Thanks a lot for your help dunbar!!

You can change Pinnacle into Portuguese if you want I think...I know you can change it into Spanish

Thanks thunder gulch!

Another doubt that i have is if these sites retain some money when you take the money i have earned.....Is that an important amount?

Thank you!

Thunder, they have phone wagering, but your total for the phone call has to be $100, for both sports or horses. I do it all the time

Scav, do they give the rebates over the phones??.I was told they don't give you the lower vig on other sports, so I never even tried to play that way.

I think you are right about the lower vig over the phone.

I do get rebates for horses via phone, all tracks are 4%, including NYRA...(usually 7% for all tracks except NYRA which is 4%)

Original poster,have you ever been north of the Equator?

Yes...i´ve been once in the US.

Also, i´ve been in some parts of Brazil that are in the north of the Equator.

May i know why the question?:)

I was doing a research and i realized that pinnacle is better for bettors who put a reasonable amount of money on their wages.

At this time, I don´t want to place any bets bigger than $10-$15. Is pinnacle good for me anyway?

I need small fees on withdraws and i intend to put nearly 80% of my bets on horse racing. (when there are some special events, this can get 50/50)

I´ve seen Vip Sports, Bodog and Bet365 could be a good option.

Am I right? Or pinnacle stills the best even for small bettors?

Dunbar,

I am a small bettor....I will not spend more than $100/month.

Is pinnacle best for me or 5dimes?

Dont you think both are too much for me?

Thanks!

1 free withdrawal per month and you get 7% back on all wagers besides NYRA (4%).....5Dimes you only get 10% on your winning wagers....I know that Pinnacle will put it in your native language so that could be easier for you....

Easily Pinnacle. You get horse matchups as well.

Yesterdey i tried to switch languages and only the menu was translated...

the explanations and everything else was in english as well....

I will try againg, anyway

A 10% bonus on winning bets is better than a 7% rebate, even if you make your picks by throwing darts. The math to prove that is really pretty simple.

However, the 10% bonus doesn't apply to place bets, so if fmc is making a lot of place bets, he/she is better off at Pinnacle.

The amount you bet doesn't matter. You get the same relative value out of a rebate or a bonus as a big bettor.

You can research the withdrawal fees yourself.

Why do you think VIP, Bodog and Bet365 are particularly good? None of those is nearly as good as Pinnacle or 5Dimes for horseracing.

Have you read the reviews at Sportsbookreview.com?

--Dunbar

I´ve read the reviews at SBR and thi is why I think VIP, Bodog and Bet365 are good for me. They are also rated A+, like Pinnacle. But are more pointed to small players, in my opinion.

I´ve almost decided which one to go, and I think I will take Pinnacle. But I also liked Bet365 (although I think there is a lot of UK horse racing and nearly nothing US races). Bodog and Tradesports looked fine to me too. I am still watching...Thanks a lot for your help!

fmc, "pointed to small players" mostly means they are afraid of big bettors and will take action against them. It does not mean that they will treat small players better than Pinnacle or 5Dimes will. For example, I have had my bet limits reduced at VIP's sister casino Gameday. I had my account at Bodog completely frozen. In both cases, it was simply a case of winning too steadily.

Why would you consider opening at Bodog instead of Pinnacle? At Pinnacle you would get a rebate on most of your horseracing bets. At Pinnacle you will get a better line for most of your other sports bets than you would get at Bodog.

I do not have experience at Bet365, but they do have a nice promotion going on now. It appears they are paying a 10-15% bonus on all win/place/exotic wins (bonus is paid on the amount won, not like 5Dimes which pays its bonus on the total payoff). This promotion has been "extended to July 30". If it were permanent, it would make Bet365 a serious contender for best racing sportsbook. Getting a 15% bonus on exotics is the best deal I know of for exotics, even if the bonus is paid only on the amount won.

I was not aware of the Bet365 promotion. This is why I like participating in forums like Derby Trail. I usually learn something, even when I start out trying to be helpful.

--Dunbar

There is not much US racing on Tuesdays. Check Bet365 again tomorrow to get a better idea of what tracks they take bets on.

--Dunbar

Dunbar,

Now I understood what they mean by small bettors...lol....

The big problem I see on Pinnacle is that they assume I am a experienced bettor and since I have no experience in betting outside my country, I barely understand their terms and definitions on the website. I need a more easy-to-use website, where I can get the explanation of these terms and the method of calculus of the wages and their payoffs.

Another point is that Bet365 has some differente bets that there are not on Pinnacle, like the World Cup Top Goal Scorer, The first team to receive a yellow card on a game, etc....On Pinnacle we can only bet on a game (team X win or loses); nothing else....

Thank you again!

Avoid BoDog like the plague...they toss you if you win, manipulate the juice and lines on sports betting, and are not ashamed of doing it. They are a highly successful operation because they get bigger margins off the little guys, while Pinnacle makes slim margins on big volume...Pinnacle will take small bets, so that's the way to go. Set up a Neteller account if you want to get free payouts.

Look under "Propositions" at Pinnacle. You will find these, for example:
I hope it's enough! :>)

http://www7.pinnaclesports.com/guest...taly%2FUkraine

Fri 6/30 Team to take first Throw-In
11:59 AM 4001 Italy -109
4002 Ukraine -101
Fri 6/30 Team to take first Goal Kick
11:59 AM 4003 Italy +120
4004 Ukraine -130
Fri 6/30 Team to commit first foul
11:59 AM 4005 Italy +110
4006 Ukraine -120
Fri 6/30 Team to take first corner kick
11:59 AM 4007 Italy -150
4008 Ukraine +140
Fri 6/30 Will a penalty kick be awarded?
11:59 AM 4009 Yes +255
4010 No -285
Fri 6/30 Will L.Toni (must start) score for Italy?
11:59 AM 4013 Yes +185
4014 No -210
Fri 6/30 Will A.Gilardino (must start) score for Italy?
11:59 AM 4015 Yes +232
4016 No -272
Fri 6/30 Will A.Pirlo (must start) score for Italy?
11:59 AM 4017 Yes +688
4018 No -988
Fri 6/30 Will G.Gattuso (must start) score for Italy?
11:59 AM 4019 Yes +1400
4020 No -1800
Fri 6/30 Will F.Totti (must start) score for Italy?
11:59 AM 4023 Yes +235
4024 No -260
Fri 6/30 Will A.Shevchenko (must start) score for Ukraine?
11:59 AM 4025 Yes +279
4026 No -339
Fri 6/30 Will A.Voronin (must start) score for Ukraine?
11:59 AM 4027 Yes +575
4028 No -700
Fri 6/30 Will O.Byelik (must start) score for Ukraine?
11:59 AM 4029 Yes +860
4030 No -1160
Fri 6/30 Will A.Vorobei (must start) score for Ukraine?
11:59 AM 4031 Yes +900
4032 No -1200
Fri 6/30 Will O.Gusev (must start) score for Ukraine?
11:59 AM 4033 Yes +900
4034 No -1200
Fri 6/30 Will S.Rebrov (must start) score for Ukraine?
11:59 AM 4035 Yes +575
4036 No -700
Fri 6/30 Will Italy lead at HT AND win in Reg. Time?
11:59 AM 4137 Yes +172
4138 No