NBC receives mail from shooter
 

NBC received a package today in the mail that apparently was mailed by the Va Tech shooter in between his first and second killing spree. It apparently contains video, pictures and writings. NBC will apparently air some of this at 6:30 news cast. Unbelievable! NBC immediately called the FBI and turned over all originals, they were apparently allowed to make copies for what will be an exclusive...perhaps giving some insight into this insanity!

Truly at a loss for words at this turn of events!

The photo msnbc has put up is plenty chilling. Derranged!!!
Reminds me of a "suicide bomber's" parting statements.
Looks like he, like the Uni bomber, Kasinsky, also wants us to read a "manifesto".
Very chilling.

It appears this creep brutally murdered two innocent kids and then calmly went to the campus post office to mail his package before heading off to kill 30 more. They've released one picture...him wearing an ammo vest and gloves holding a pistol in each hand...the actual weapons he used it appears.

Yeah the pic is on msnbc.com

Freedom of the Press at its worst. Tasteless SOB's can't wait until the victims are buried.

Yeah, the shooter is getting exactly what he wanted...reaching out from the grave to create even more pain!

Pictures and video shown at the beginning of the broadcast are pornography, particularly chilling is the picture of the killer pointing his gun directly at the camera...the last thing these poor innocent young people saw. Yet, if it was my child, I'd need to see...to try and find some way to understand that which can't be understood...a tough call here, I can only speak for myself but as agonizing as it would be, I'd want to see what my child saw...

Wow...just watched it, what a sick person! Funny, how the police got throwin' off the wrong trail with the boyfriend of one of the victims...THIS incident should have never happen with this guy's history. I can see why at one time, WE used to "lock up" all the "nut cases". The warning signs were there...very, very sad!

Kid sounds like Napoleon Dynamite

These killers get way to much air time, the next nut is sitting somwhere getting ideas that if he kills 20 people he will be on CNN for a week. They should be showing the victims and their great accomplishments.

I agree and fortunately they have shown a lot from the victims and their families...it's been heartbreaking but at least the world knows how truly special these people were and how much was taken from us by a psychotic killer. As I said before, as terrible as these images from the killer are, I think I'd want to know...he was indeed mentally ill but also he had a mean streak as well, I agree with his one professor about that!

I bet FOX is piiiiiiiisssssssed the guy didn't send the stuff to them... sigh. You stay classy, mainstream media... oh, right...

The mainstream media is playing into the need for some to find the "why" of an insane person's vile actions. The focus, in my opinion, should not be on giving immortality to a very pathetic derranged killer, but rather on the lives and the potential they held, of his victims.
Here is an opinion with which I agree:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/VATech/sto...3056168&page=1

May the families of the taken find healing. Hopefully, msnbc will take down the "story" so they are not forced to repeatedly watch such hurtful "reporting". Msnbc's actions are not considerate of the healing process.

Do you know how many people you would need to lock up? Half the people on this site be gone.You should be angry at the mental health professionals that are simply useless.Simply look at this case.There is no follow up after he saw mental health professionals.Even though he had mental problems,he was able to buy guns...o.k.? Shows how f'n useless these people are.They don't even care enough to make sure the mental patients (they push out the door) aren't able to buy guns.It is one thing to be f'n useless at fixing problems,but another to totally ignore problems(and let them buy guns.)You want somebody to blame? Well the mental patient is dead.You accomplish zero by blaming him.The people most equipped to have kept this from happening are these piece of waste mental health "pros" that just cash checks without accomplishing jack sht.The #1 overpaid people in society are Psychiatrists.Any nurse could get the same poor results.

Are you included in that half, Scuds? Thanks for the warning.

Trust me,to the rest of the world,this(people writing back and forth for hours each week about one particular breed of animal) looks nutty.

I don't as a rule get involved in discussions like this.....and I know I'm going to be sorry I did here in this one.....buuut.

After reading about this guy a few things struck me. Now this was certainly a colossal trajedy, but people die like this every day...... we don't hear about many of them because it's usually a single murder..... anyway ...what struck me is he seems to have been an Asian growing up in this country who took a lot of abuse because of his shyness and his inability to speak good English....apparently not even close to that.....and because he looked different.

The story indicated his tape shows him acting like the main character from a Korean film where the guy gets out of jail after 15 years and aslo goes on a rampage.

So if you listened to what he said and you fill in the obvious blanks it becomes kind of clear.


Society helps create everything we deal with.


I'm just saying it's easy to blame this on a "scum bag " or a "nut case" and what have you.


Sometimes what goes around comes around and it's not always in kind.


It's too bad,but this is the way and world we live in.

Just another way of communicating in all honesty. People have different ways of communicating and this happens to be the way for most of the members on this forum. I have maybe a handful of true friends that I've known since grade school, and not a single one of them has any interest in horses or horseracing. It gets kind of difficult when my main interest is never a point of discussion because my friends can't relate. It's definitely not their fault, but I stumbled across ESPN a few years back and enjoyed the interaction with fans of the game. The rest is history. I guess I do tend to go a little overboard on the sheer number of posts... oops.

Morty, I agree...

I do think that a normal, level headed person has better luck dealing with society in a more productive manner, though. This kid seems as if he hit rock bottom and it's how you deal with life when you're at rock bottom that actually defines you as 'crazy' or 'sane.' I don't think this kid was right in the head (obviously.) Sometimes it's easier to label someone as a scumbag than to read between the lines...

I know what you're saying.


We're all different and have different abilities to fight that end of the line retsraint.


There are those of us who commit suicide.Imagine how unbearable life becomes to actually do that....and are they crazy?

Then there are those who have to take innocents with them.That would be to me an end of the liner who has infinite built up hate.


People who do these things sometime seem preditcable...and sometimes not.

Then you have your serial killers.





Oh it's pretty messy and I don't pretend to know the answers ,but the world gets stranger every day.I think more of these things will happen as time goes on.300 million people and growing in a disparate melting pot like ours......I suppose these things are inevitable.

This whole situation just sucks so much. This guy was a complete sicko nutcase and gave out so many warning signs it seems, but there he was still going to school planning on executing this madness and nobody could do anything about it. Doesnt make sense, I dont understand how the school administrators couldnt kick him out or get him help, or the police. They say its because there was no "direct threat" to go off of, but all those horrific writings and stalking and not talking for months at a time. Crazy ****. That killer was crying out for attention to get help it seems, and nobody could give it to him. He is on another level of crazy.

Boy...talk about wasted words.

OK, 35 years of working with mentally ill folks has taught me the following:
1) Society does indeed often create monsters, a study of mass murders indicates certain common threads.
2) This kid was obviously at risk for years and never received the help he needed.
3) Many folks with good intentions tried to help but there simply wasn't a system in place to help him under current laws.
4) he planned this rampage for a long time and executed innocent people in cold blood...he was sick but he was also a monster, there needs to be changes in the way society treats folks with mental illness but this individual still made choices...psychotic or not, he killed 32 innocent people!
The sad thing about this case (well, one of many obviously) is that it seems everyone followed the laws and procedures that are in place...changes need to occur or this will happen again and again!

SF;


And maybe if little darlings when pulling stunts like laughing at a kid in class had a teacher who would not put up with it and stopped everything right there and put everyone in their place by saying..."This boy is YOU."


That may have helped.

I don't mean to sound obstinate or arguemenative;just read it as my opinion.







I know leave this fine discussion.

Certainly treating each other better would make a better world, and better discipline in the classroom (and at home) would be a huge benefit. Those that are mentally ill need many more services however, society needs to take this problem seriously. Many MI folks are invisible, homeless or poor, they are 7x more likely to be the victim of a crime than the perp. Often times they are released from hospitals with an inadequate (or no) support system. The very laws that protect you and me often harm them as they make it impossible to get them treatment. It is a huge problem that could be solved if politicians actually listened to MH professionals instead of playing politics with the lives of those who can't speak up. Of course, we know the likelihood of that happening!

I think you ment now

Yes....now.







Thank you so much.

Been up in Northern NY where the power was out for the past several days...just now hearing/reading about this horrific happening.....

meant! sorry:)

lol lol lol

No work scheduled today.

I'd like to think that it would have, but then you've got another problem in your hands because by the teacher bringing that up in class, the shy child is now put under the spotlight. Kids can be awfully mean...

i blame his parents, who knew damn well there was a problem but chose to pretty much ignore it, not do their job, and let him stay down there.
then there's the fact that he stalked two women, who chose not to press charges-had they done so, he'd have had a felony on his record, and no gun purchase allowed--at least, then he'd have had to buy illegally, and of course he'd have found a way no doubt.
then there's the fact that a psychiatrist let him walk out of the institution...why? most likely because our society thinks theirs a pill for everything, and as long as he took his meds, he'd be just fine.

then there are the myriad others who looked the other way, the faculty members, counselors, etc....


and i do think it's a shame they are playing all his garbage he sent--he got EXACTLY what he wanted.

You are spreading some mis-information here! We don't know what the family knew or didn't know. The girls just wanted to be left alone, I doubt there was enough evidence to convict him based on reports. And...do you think a qualified psychiatrist simply "let him walk"? In order to keep a person in a MH facility against their will, you have to be able to prove that they are a danger to self or others...if he went to therapy and said the "right things" there was no legal way to keep him locked up...remember, he hadn't been charged with a crime and we aren't sure whether he was voluntarily or involuntarily committed (if he had been involuntarily committed then that should have shown up and negated the gun purchase). If he was admitted voluntarily then under the law he can leave at any time! I worked in a Psych Facility and I know the law...many times we were forced to discharge someone long before we were comfortable because the law demanded it! And, because of privacy laws, we were unable to pass info along...under penalty of going to jail ourselves!!! Don't blame psychiatrists and other mental health professionals, you sound like Tom Cruise! Blame society and the laws that often make it impossible to get someone needed help coupled with the lack of resources to treat folks after hospitalization! Medication is a tool but not an answer...every psychiatrist knows that! There is no substitute for comprehensive treatment and that, in a case like this, can only be obtained in a secure facility! But when society's laws say we MUST discharge...

I believe Cho had "selective mutism"......according to Wikipedia....all the manifestations were there. I can't blame his parents....immigrants who came over 'broke' and tried to build a life....I think he was far removed from his parents' influence. Did he fall through the cracks?.....probably!

no, i'm not spreading disinformation. his parents sought help at some point, he was sent for counseling, was found to be a danger to society, and wasn't kept at the facility that he was sent to. these were all on the radio this morning. they were talking again this afternoon with family members who said they knew there were 'problems'.

yes, there is a lot of monday morning qb'ing going on--my question is just how much has to happen before someone does something.

Acutally somer, i was listening to someone who helped design the gun law In VA and he was pretty sure that being in a mental health institution would not disqualify him from owning the gun, even though it should. He said that 90% of the time the information is not picked up on by the computer doing the background check...... Sounds like something needs fixed.....

Yeah, there is a box that asks if you were "involuntarily" committed...that would red flag the application. Apparently he didn't check it and apparently it didn't show up on the computer check...so, the question remains regarding type of commitment. In any event, it should stop a sale imo!

You simply don't know what you are talking about...nor do many of the TV talking heads. There is a legal process to commit someone...the paperwork which they speak of is simply part of said process. If you read (and comprehend) my earlier post, I tried to make it clear...you can't hospitalize someone against their will without certain legal criteria being met, and hospital personnel must obey the law like everyone else...if the law says they must be discharged then there is no choice! Reporters, unless they have a background in MH, don't understand this...obviously, you don't either! As a MH professional, I have done paperwork to hospitalize patients, worked with MH patients in the hospital, and worked with the legal system regarding all aspects of hospitalization. With the confidentiality laws in place today, it is quite possible that his parents had no idea concerning the extent of his psychosis, same with the school!