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miraja2 04-14-2007 02:01 PM

Perfect Drift finishes 2nd
 
Some things never change.
He looked like his usual consistent self today.
I hope he somehow manages to put together a good enough year to run in his 83rd straight BCC.

letswastemoney 04-14-2007 02:05 PM

Hey...he was in the 2002 BCC...so that would be....6 years????? WOWW

So if he goes this year it would be the 7th year!! He should get some award for that :D

POINTGIVEN1985 04-14-2007 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Hey...he was in the 2002 BCC...so that would be....6 years????? WOWW

So if he goes this year it would be the 7th year!! He should get some award for that :D

call me crazy, but i think he will have a more productive year this year then he has had in the past few, i think he will win a couple races this year

Cajungator26 04-14-2007 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
call me crazy, but i think he will have a more productive year this year then he has had in the past few, i think he will win a couple races this year

I love Perfect Drift, but just curious as to why you think that? The horse is always productive BTW... he brings home a nice paycheck each time (normally) and at his age, that's probably the most you could ask of him. I don't see him being any better than last year.

POINTGIVEN1985 04-14-2007 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I love Perfect Drift, but just curious as to why you think that? The horse is always productive BTW... he brings home a nice paycheck each time (normally) and at his age, that's probably the most you could ask of him. I don't see him being any better than last year.

there is not much in the division this year, invasor and then who else ?

Cajungator26 04-14-2007 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
there is not much in the division this year, invasor and then who else ?

That doesn't make him run any better, though. He'll run the same as always... I didn't think the older division was all that impressive last year, either.

1st_Saturday_in_May 04-14-2007 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
there is not much in the division this year, invasor and then who else ?

Seek Gold's still sitting around somewhere.

saucon17 04-14-2007 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May
Seek Gold's still sitting around somewhere.

Ah, the one hit wonder

miraja2 04-14-2007 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
i think he will have a more productive year this year then he has had in the past few, i think he will win a couple races this year

Oh. Okay.

pdrift1 04-14-2007 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I love Perfect Drift, but just curious as to why you think that? The horse is always productive BTW... he brings home a nice paycheck each time (normally) and at his age, that's probably the most you could ask of him. I don't see him being any better than last year.

because he will be pointed to g 2&3'S and maybe 1 grade 1 -the foster. the 2 &3's should give him a better chance to get a couple-even tho he was sick in last years bc classic and placed 8th i feel we will not see him at the breeders cup anymore. 1 1/8 and he woulda caught stream cat. it was a good run all things considered, hes just lacking the faster early break and being closer to the lead earlier in the race, but im thinking old age is part to do with that.when he gets behind early he runs out of ground at the end and:)

pdrift1 04-14-2007 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May
Seek Gold's still sitting around somewhere.

seek gold-now thats a joke-lol

pdrift1 04-14-2007 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You're crazy. He was absolutely flat in the stretch today. A couple? No way.

he wasnt flat, he was picking up steam got stopped a little and regrouped and came home strong another 1/16 and he just nails stream cat 1/4 and he blows by him

whodey17 04-14-2007 08:59 PM

I could care less if horses like Perfect Drift, Funny Cide, Evening Attire etc etc make any money. I think it is simply wonderful that people get to see these horses run year after year. Keep it going old men of racing.

1st_Saturday_in_May 04-14-2007 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pdrift1
seek gold-now thats a joke-lol

I'm not sure if you got my point or not, lol, because I'm not all here right now, but my meaning behind Seek Gold is that no matter how good Perfect Drift is compared to a competitor, he'll be perfectly content to run behind him or next to him. He's not the kind of horse who will dig in when a competitor comes to him and he's not the kind of horse who wants to run away from a field.

miraja2 04-14-2007 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
I could care less if horses like Perfect Drift, Funny Cide, Evening Attire etc etc make any money. I think it is simply wonderful that people get to see these horses run year after year. Keep it going old men of racing.

I have to disagree with you there. If they aren't making ANY money, that means they aren't being competitive. If that were to happen consistently, then I don't think it would be "simply wonderful" to see horses of their quality struggling and finishing off the board in race after race. It would instead be quite sad.
I say as long as they are making decent money, they are competitve....and that is fun to see.

whodey17 04-14-2007 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I have to disagree with you there. If they aren't making ANY money, that means they aren't being competitive. If that were to happen consistently, then I don't think it would be "simply wonderful" to see horses of their quality struggling and finishing off the board in race after race. It would instead be quite sad.
I say as long as they are making decent money, they are competitve....and that is fun to see.

Money isnt the end of all in horse racing. The fact that they horse makes it to the gate is enough for me. It is good for the sport and good for history.

miraja2 04-14-2007 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
Money isnt the end of all in horse racing. The fact that they horse makes it to the gate is enough for me. It is good for the sport and good for history.

Do you really think it would be good for the sport if - in a year or so - horses like Funny Cide and/or Perfect Drift were dropped into cheap claiming races and still failed to hit the board?
Just "making it to the gate" is not enough. These horses are/were great competitors and deserve more than to be treated like that.
Right now they are (thankfully) still quite competitive so it isn't a problem, but I hope that when their days of being competitive are over, their connections don't disregard what is in their horses' best interest (like you apparently want them to do) and instead know when to retire the horses. I am confident that PD's connections will do right by their horse. I am less confident in FC's owners.

miraja2 04-14-2007 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
Money isnt the end of all in horse racing.

This is a tad naïve I am afraid.

hi_im_god 04-14-2007 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Some things never change.
He looked like his usual consistent self today.
I hope he somehow manages to put together a good enough year to run in his 83rd straight BCC.

he's the peyton manning of horses. looks good but never wins.























i'm sorry. this is 2006 isn't it?

pdrift1 04-14-2007 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Just like he always does right? That's what I think of when I think of Perfect Drift, him blowing by horses.

you doubting he wouldn't have sailed by him at a 1 1/4? you know he would of . watch the race again he never flatend out , you must have been watching some other race:confused:

Zaf 04-14-2007 11:08 PM

Perfect Drift, Funny Cide, Evening Attire

3 of my favorite horses :) :) :D

pdrift1 04-14-2007 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Stop it....please. Please name a time Perfect Drift has ever sailed by anyone.

you make me laugh ,you take this to serious . he would have beat him is that better.

pdrift1 04-15-2007 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Stop it....please. Please name a time Perfect Drift has ever sailed by anyone.

washington park handicap 05, the whole foster field last year till he didn't see see seek gold or he would have had another grade 1 plain and simple.

whodey17 04-15-2007 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Do you really think it would be good for the sport if - in a year or so - horses like Funny Cide and/or Perfect Drift were dropped into cheap claiming races and still failed to hit the board?
Just "making it to the gate" is not enough. These horses are/were great competitors and deserve more than to be treated like that.
Right now they are (thankfully) still quite competitive so it isn't a problem, but I hope that when their days of being competitive are over, their connections don't disregard what is in their horses' best interest (like you apparently want them to do) and instead know when to retire the horses. I am confident that PD's connections will do right by their horse. I am less confident in FC's owners.

I think it is fabulous that I am able to sit with my son and we can watch Funny Cide race together. He was only 3 when Funny Cide won the Derby. Now we can sit and watch and I can teach him about horse racing. There is much more to racing then how a horse performs on the track. In my opinion, horses like the ones that were metioned should race as long as they are healthy.

Zaf 04-15-2007 01:10 AM

Whodey17,

agree 1000 % :)

miraja2 04-15-2007 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
I think it is fabulous that I am able to sit with my son and we can watch Funny Cide race together. He was only 3 when Funny Cide won the Derby. Now we can sit and watch and I can teach him about horse racing. There is much more to racing then how a horse performs on the track. In my opinion, horses like the ones that were metioned should race as long as they are healthy.

Okay....I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. I am certainly glad all three of these guys are still racing RIGHT NOW. The only thing I was disagreeing with you about was when you said all that matters is if they reach the starting gate. I just like these three old geldings too much to ever want to see them run in races where they have no chance....and say "oh well, at least they started." Hopefully it will never come to that.

Grits 04-15-2007 09:42 AM

Some of you make these older guys, particularly Drift, in this thread sound like nothing but plodders. Same old, Same old, some things never change.

If one looked closely at Drift's past performance lines yesterday, they'd see that Murray Johnson brought Drift back similarly from a long layoff. Quite similarly.

I KNEW Drift would be short yesterday. I figured most knew that.

But to dog a horse like this that has made FIVE MILLION DOLLARS in his career on a racetrack-or one like Evening Attire, who has netted close, is a real abomination.

Its as cheap as one can get in this game where armchair opinions are so vital.

I know for a FACT, that there are not two owners in this sport that have, and always will have, the best interest of their horses at heart--than the owners of Drift and Evening Attire.

This sport would elevate itself with more owners having this level of integrity and concern for their horses and the overall condition of the game of horseracing.

Sightseek 04-15-2007 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaf
Perfect Drift, Funny Cide, Evening Attire

3 of my favorite horses :) :) :D

I LOVE Evening Attire!

Danzig 04-15-2007 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Grits
Some of you make these older guys, particularly Drift, in this thread sound like nothing but plodders. Same old, Same old, some things never change.

If one looked closely at Drift's past performance lines yesterday, they'd see that Murray Johnson brought Drift back similarly from a long layoff. Quite similarly.

I KNEW Drift would be short yesterday. I figured most knew that.

But to dog a horse like this that has made FIVE MILLION DOLLARS in his career on a racetrack-or one like Evening Attire, who has netted close, is a real abomination.

Its as cheap as one can get in this game where armchair opinions are so vital.

I know for a FACT, that there are not two owners in this sport that have, and always will have, the best interest of their horses at heart--than the owners of Drift and Evening Attire.

This sport would elevate itself with more owners having this level of integrity and concern for their horses and the overall condition of the game of horseracing.

i just went back thru the entire thread, and still don't see who dogged this horse. or evening attire for that matter.

Grits 04-15-2007 10:10 AM

Miraja2 referred to Drift as "some things never change".

Sorry that you missed that Danzig. But as you often say, everyone's entitled to disagree.

I added Attire because similar has been said, while people tend to second guess owners who are running horses this age. Horrible things have been said at many websites. (I know this for fact, I AM NOT stating what I do not know where these two horses and their respective owners are concerned.)

I suppose if anyone here owned either Drift or Attire they'd not be complaining too much about their career earnings and what has enhanced their bank account's bottom line.

Grits 04-15-2007 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Stop it....please. Please name a time Perfect Drift has ever sailed by anyone.

And this was a nice one as well.

Danzig 04-15-2007 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Grits
Miraja2 referred to Drift as "some things never change".

Sorry that you missed that Danzig. But as you often say, everyone's entitled to disagree.

I added Attire because similar has been said, while people tend to second guess owners who are running horses this age. Horrible things have been said at many websites. (I know this for fact, I AM NOT stating what I do not know where these two horses and their respective owners are concerned.)

I suppose if anyone here owned either Drift or Attire they'd not be complaining too much about their career earnings and what has enhanced their bank account's bottom line.

perfect drift finishes in the money quite often, while getting the win oftentimes is elusive. so he finished second again, which is something he does a lot. that isn't dogging, it's saying he did a thing he usually does. i think everyone gives props to these horses, while also acknowledging they have lost a step or two from their heyday, but still able to pull off a good win on occasion, such as drifts record-setting win last year. everyone knows that drifty has won a ton of money. i don't recall anyone here saying anything about the horses age, or picking on the owners--unlike the shake you down situation.

Grits 04-15-2007 10:36 AM

One can declare the obvious and the "I think everyone knows," readily, in defense, and after the fact recognizing the knowledge of the multitudes .

My point being, obviously, to some the fact that Drift has made multi-millions is of little significance. That being the crux of the matter, is why I find no honor in commenting negatively on the horse. None whatsoever.

As I said, JMHO and I disagree with those that do.

Let's go to Keeneland there are horses running.

miraja2 04-15-2007 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Some things never change.
He looked like his usual consistent self today.
I hope he somehow manages to put together a good enough year to run in his 83rd straight BCC.

Grits,
I am at a loss as to how you viewed this post as somehow knocking Perfect Drift.
I meant "some things never change" in a positive way. He is still hitting the board like always. People haven't really been knocking the horse in this thread....so I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. You seem to be arguing with a straw-man of your own creation.
Perfect Drift is a very good horse. He may not win very often, but it isn't easy to be competitive at the level he has competed at, for as long as he has.

miraja2 04-15-2007 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Grits
My point being, obviously, to some the fact that Drift has made multi-millions is of little significance. That being the crux of the matter, is why I find no honor in commenting negatively on the horse. None whatsoever. As I said, JMHO and I disagree with those that do.

Who the hell are you talking about here?


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