Originally Posted by NTamm1215

What? Off that maiden win last Friday?

The only time this horse ran in even a halfway decent race he got slaughtered.

He has a chance if the pace is ridiculous and everyone comes back to him. I bet you like him off the Tiago DQ "key" race, now don't you.;)

NT

Originally Posted by miraja2

If he wasn't by FuPeg and out of an AP Indy mare, I don't think anyone would be at all excited by him. His performances have not been exciting at all.
He is being rushed into this spot in my opinion.
The two favorites in this race are - I believe - the best two 3yos running right now and Great Hunter in particular has already proven his effectiveness on the Poly.
I wouldn't throw a dime at TS.

Originally Posted by miraja2

If he wasn't by FuPeg and out of an AP Indy mare, I don't think anyone would be excited by him. His performances have not been exciting at all.
He is being rushed into this spot in my opinion.
The two favorites in this race are - I believe - the best two 3yos running right now and Great Hunter in particular has already proven his effectiveness on the Poly.
I wouldn't throw a dime at TS.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

One of the surest signs of a losing horseplayer is someone who marries himself ( or herself ) to horses they have cashed bets on. While some might call it loyalty, what it really is is stupidity, as every race is different, and nobody who sanely looks at the pps for this Blue Grass Stakes can honestly give Time Squared anything even remotely close to an outside chance. He is WAY too slow....period.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

One of the surest signs of a losing horseplayer is someone who marries himself ( or herself ) to horses they have cashed bets on. While some might call it loyalty, what it really is is stupidity, as every race is different, and nobody who sanely looks at the pps for this Blue Grass Stakes can honestly give Time Squared anything even remotely close to an outside chance. He is WAY too slow....period.

Originally Posted by byalip

This is one of the best maxims in betting...something I relearn the hard way every year. You have to figure out WHO is going to win, not who you WANT to win.

Originally Posted by byalip

This is one of the best maxims in betting...something I relearn the hard way every year. You have to figure out WHO is going to win, not who you WANT to win.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

I think its possible.....

Originally Posted by philcski

You're crazy. I'll book any bet you want at 30-1.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i have to respond again, you have to be directing your above statements at me because no one else said they thought he could win, so in that case..... where do you get off calling me a losing horseplayer ? i do pretty good, and latley i have been especialy hot.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Of course you are guilty of this and have demonstrated this tendancy repeatedly on this site. I'm just trying to help you lose less.

Making Tiago your third likeliest Derby winner after you won on him last week was the latest glaring example that comes to mind....after Time Squared that is.

There is a lot of " I want to be a wise guy " disease running rampant and there is, of course, no easier spot to take crazy shots than the internet....the land of no accountability. You aren't a " wise guy " if you pick horses like Time Squared.....you're ridiculous. Being a wise guy is knowing when strong favorites are vulnerable AND when they aren't. Being a " wise guy " is understanding what longshots may be interesting, and why, and not just throwing as much sh1t against the wall as you can and waiting for some of it to stick.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

I NEVER said i was a wise guy, i bet horse's a couple days a week but when i bet, i bet heavy.....i like the horse i think he has a shot, i dont see what your saying as trying to help me, if you were trying to help me i'd take your advice and listen to you, because i know that i am VERY FAR from being perfect, i know im not the best. In my opinion you are accusing me of just picking horses and hoping the run big so i can look good, and that is not what i do. Belive me i would take your advice but dont sit here and try to make me look bad and then say " IM TRYING TO HELP YOU"

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

I NEVER said i was a wise guy, i bet horse's a couple days a week but when i bet, i bet heavy.....i like the horse i think he has a shot, i dont see what your saying as trying to help me, if you were trying to help me i'd take your advice and listen to you, because i know that i am VERY FAR from being perfect, i know im not the best. In my opinion you are accusing me of just picking horses and hoping the run big so i can look good, and that is not what i do. Belive me i would take your advice but dont sit here and try to make me look bad and then say " IM TRYING TO HELP YOU"

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

I think its possible.....

Originally Posted by paisjpq

I am so glad we have you here PG85...seriously.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There is a lot of " I want to be a wise guy " disease running rampant and there is, of course, no easier spot to take crazy shots than the internet....the land of no accountability. You aren't a " wise guy " if you pick horses like Time Squared.....you're ridiculous. Being a wise guy is knowing when strong favorites are vulnerable AND when they aren't. Being a " wise guy " is understanding what longshots may be interesting, and why, and not just throwing as much sh1t against the wall as you can and waiting for some of it to stick.

Originally Posted by Grits

Alright PG, you and I have talked about this.

Here, look at the words that I've bold faced. He IS, once again, trying to teach you something, he is NOT making fun of you.

Read his lesson and learn what a "wiseguy" is--in terms of the world of professional bettor's parlance. This is what he is explaining to you, for your benefit.

It is a lesson for you to learn, and a good one.

Don't get ragged when he throws up his hands and says, "hell with you."

You are stubborn as a mule, and sometimes, you do convey that you know more than so many that have been at this far longer than yourself.

Even blind pigs find nuggets now and then, but in the meantime, try to be less sensitive. And understand no one is against you--its not the case.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

ok.. your right

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i agree with that 100% and the truth is i have no favorites in this race, no horse that i personally really like is running, but i do honestly feel that he could possibly win, its a long shot, a upset but it would be no bigger then Tiago winning last week.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Instead of just coming out and saying that you honestly think he can win, tell us what that is based on. Make the case, convince us. What is your rationale?

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

Time Squared has to run 1-2 to even make it to the derby, which has to be the goal considering they are running him here to try and get the graded earnings.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

ok.....I think he can win because........


like scav said on another thread his race last friday he was in hand the whole trip, he went from last to first and did it easily.

This years three year old crop has not standouts, there are alot of very good horses but no great ones, and i know alot of ppl think the big 2 are in this race but i really do think this race could be ripe for a upset. Street Sense just barley beats Any Given Saturday, and then AGS comes back and runs horrible in the wood, Street Sense also has never won on the poly, as for Great Hunter he beats Sam P last time, but Sam p was getting to him late Sam P is the beaten favorite in the Santa Anita Derby where he is defeated by a maiden winner in Tiago.

Also the big 2 have bigger fish to fry there main goals are winning the Kentucky Derby, not running huge in the bluegrass 3 weeks out and having nothing left for kentucky, on the other hand Time Squared has to run 1-2 to even make it to the derby, which has to be the goal considering they are running him here to try and get the graded earnings.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

I think its possible.....

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

like scav said on another thread his race last friday he was in hand the whole trip, he went from last to first and did it easily.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

This years three year old crop has not standouts,there are alot of very good horses but no great ones,

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

Street Sense just barley beats Any Given Saturday, and then AGS comes back and runs horrible in the wood, Street Sense also has never won on the poly,

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

as for Great Hunter he beats Sam P last time, but Sam p was getting to him late Sam P is the beaten favorite in the Santa Anita Derby where he is defeated by a maiden winner in Tiago.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

Also the big 2 have bigger fish to fry there main goals are winning the Kentucky Derby, not running huge in the bluegrass 3 weeks out and having nothing left for kentucky, on the other hand Time Squared has to run 1-2 to even make it to the derby, which has to be the goal considering they are running him here to try and get the graded earnings.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Watch the replay, he wasn't in hand the whole trip and did not win easy. He had no speed early on in a race that was horribly, hideously slow. It took him the length of the stretch and he just got up by a length.

Define standouts. Do you mean compared with historical perspective? Maybe that is true that there are no standouts compared to other years, but our task here is to handicap this particular race, and I must tell you that
compared to Time Squared, every horse in this field is a standout.

you say Any Given Saturday ran horrible in the Wood? He did regress but he actually only lost by three lengths to your superstar horse No Biz.
A more accurate description of a horrible race would be Time Squared's only attempt at taking on the better horses in this crop (which you have already stated does not contain any standouts) in the Sham. He was dead last losing by 17 lengths. And this is a race that has been exposed as not being a strong prep.

and as far as Street Sense never winning on the poly? as if Time Squared has the edge on him because of his maiden win last Friday? are you serious?
Street Sense was third beaten less than 2 lengths in a grade1 on the poly at this very track last fall. The horses that beat him were Great Hunter and Circular Quay.

Let me just say that there is no link between Tiago beating Sam P in the SA Derby, and Time Squared therefore being able to take down Street Sense and Great Hunter in the Blue Grass.

HAHA, the big two? Time Squared has to worry about more than the big two as there are several other much more accomplished horses. Teuflesberg, Zanjero, Dominican, Love Dubai, all of these horses are faster and more accomplished than Time Squared. If one or both of the big two have a so-so day and get upset, it will be by one of these other horses.

Timed Squared does not belong in the race and its an example of derby fever taking over.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Timed Squared does not belong in the race and its an example of derby fever taking over.

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

aj thats alot of work to say no.. you rally have done enough......let him play his horse..more money in the pool to take..wc fields was right..lol

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I know, I had to do it just once though.

I have done enough, I think I'll retire now.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

If Time Squared wins, I will parade around naked in front of all DT members.

(don't think I won't do it!!)

...not sure what this post means...but it needed to be said.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

If Time Squared wins, I will parade around naked in front of all DT members.

(don't think I won't do it!!)

...not sure what this post means...but it needed to be said.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The final coup de gras.