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If I Was An African American.................
(Disclaimer - If you are an intelligent person you will see my point in this thread. If you are not you will see this as some racisist slam against African Americans. If you see this as some slam, insult, etc, I suggest you pm me with your racial slurs. Otherwise, lets talk intelligently here ok?)
and............................................... ................... Opened the sports section of todays USA Today and saw 48 out of 50 players were of my skin color. Front page mind you, plastered all over the front page.............................................. ................................ If you are not aware of why these 48 men are on the front page, look into it and............................................... ................... Had people like Rev Jackson and Sharpton "speaking" on my behalf.............. and............................................... ...................................... If, if I was African American, given all this "Drama" of the past couple days (see Imus, etc etc) I would be ashamed........................................... African Americans deserve better then this. As a whole, you have who speaking on your behalf? Sharpton? Jackson? PLEASE! Rappers? Etc etc, IT IS TIME FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND GET someone to speak on their behalf who can REPRESENT! Represent those folks in the south, say Alabama and Georgia bustin tail for pennies on the dollar. Scrappin. How bout their kids in those schools in the south? WHERE IS THE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV JACKSON AND THE RRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVV SHARPTON when it comes to those black kids in the south of hard workin families who go without in their schools? NAH, THEY WOULD RATHER FOCUS ON IMUS:mad: |
Please don't get me started on Rev. Jackson. He's the biggest POS on the planet. As far as I'm concerned, he's one of the reasons racism is still around.
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I guess you haven't read Rev Jackson's new book The Clergy Do More Than Lay People. :D |
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Surely you didn't think before you typed that!!?? Blaming a black man for racism is beyond ridiculous! I haven't been around Jesse since the 60's but he was a good man then, I suspect he still is! It's easy to be critical of any human being...we all make plenty of mistakes but the Jesse I knew, the member of Dr King's inner circle, was passionate and dedicated to the cause of equality and fairness. Maybe I give him too much credit but I think his heart remains in the right place despite his mistakes. And regarding this topic...no, not racism but rather egotistical I'm afraid..."If I was an African American"...well, you aren't! If I was a bird I could fly! I spent some of the best years of my life in the movement and I learned a lot...but I'm not a black man so I can't speak as one, neither can you! |
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By the way, what does color have to do with anything?! In order for racism to be abolished, we must stop looking at eachother by the color of our skin! |
Is there anyone here who is not a personal friend of JJ?
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I am soooo sorry.
Is there anyone who has not met JJ? What about some of you Hymies out there? |
From your post, I get the idea that you feel that members of the black community throughout this nation--in every major inner city, in every ghetto, and in every rat infested, drug riddled, drive-by shot-up slum in the north, east, and west is living in conditions far, far above those of their race who make their homes here in the South.
It sounds as though you believe the black community all reside on farms as tenants working for the white man with their little chil'ren sittin' in a one room school house. Its not a good thing to single out one region of the nation as though the living conditions here are far worse than that of other areas where poverty exists, as readily. Step into one of your free clinics in Harlem, in the Bronx, in Chicago, in L.A. ....I am having a difficult time here, part of the reason being....I'm honest as the day is long. And your post should be rephrased to include all areas of the country where poverty exists. And believe me when I say, no region is excluded. If one looks at demographics, one will find, interestingly, that the South is growing faster than any region of the nation. I wish you had not phrased your post this way as less than an hour ago, on CNN an African-American educator on staff at Vanderbuilt University, which of course, is here in the South spoke to this exact point. "Al Sharpton is not a representative of all of the African American Community, not at all." (And please don't anyone pile on me about this. I really have had enough.) Quote:
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And I've not been unkind to 2minTP, I wish he had made his point differently. I simply don't think it correct to cast this kind of umbrella on any one region of the country. And besides, I love your humor. You make me smile every single day, as do several people here. That, along with many here whose thoughts are so well stated. |
"Opened the sports section of todays USA Today and saw 48 out of 50 players were of my skin color. Front page mind you, plastered all over the front page.............................................. ................................
If you are not aware of why these 48 men are on the front page, look into it" OK...I can't get the cover on-line. Whats with the 48 men on the front page that is so important?:rolleyes: |
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Jackson and Sharpton are both deplorable (and don't worry Grits, I'm putting myself out there for an ass-handing, even though I'm as bleeding heart as it gets.)
They both act as if many of the words out of their mouth are not racist just the same as Imus's comments and any of the other non-Black people they go after. Someone needs to teach them a lesson in short order that racism comes from people of every color. Their being Black does not preclude them from being racists. Heck, there are Blacks out there who are racists when it comes to other Blacks. See the brown paper bag test. From http://www.sptimes.com/2003/08/31/Co...bag_test.shtml In his 1996 book The Future of the Race, Henry Louis Gates Jr., chairman of the Afro-American studies department at Harvard, described his encounter with the brown paper bag when he came to Yale in the late 1960s, when skin-tone bias was brazenly practiced: "Some of the brothers who came from New Orleans held a "bag party.' As a classmate explained it to me, a bag party was a New Orleans custom wherein a brown paper bag was stuck on the door. "Anyone darker than the bag was denied entrance. That was one cultural legacy that would be put to rest in a hurry - we all made sure of that. But in a manner of speaking, it was replaced by an opposite test whereby those who were deemed "not black enough' ideologically were to be shunned. I was not sure this was an improvement." Gates was overly optimistic. The brown paper bag test remains in black culture in various incarnations, as the Applebee's case and the EEOC's statistics confirm. We separate ourselves by skin tone almost as much as we ever did. If, say, you check out the "desired" female beauties in rap videos, you will find redbones galore. |
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If I was an African-American...
well my barbecuein' skillz would be tight. |
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I hope Steve sees this so he will know that I am far more learned than I was when I woke up this morning! |
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Man you need to take that orange blossom test. |
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No Brian, I believe what you've stated is correct. There are no two people more racists than Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton--though Oprah is getting close.
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And just because the 'high-tone' test is black/black doesn't mean it's correct and doesn't mean it's fair game for non-blacks to point the finger at. And, racism is very much active among Latinos. Cubans, Perto Ricans, Colombians, .... they do not all like each other universally. I disagree with the premise of the thread. It may be well meant but it read to me like "discredit the messenger and screw the message." Some things are really a matter of what you think is right and what you think is wrong. If my kids were not grown and gone, we'd have talked about this over dinner and would have gotten quickly past the 'Jesse's a pig and Sharpton's a thief' part and gotten them to think about and talk about the subject. Personally I think it's fine not to like someone or a group of people. But if that person walks down a street alone and passes a group of 20 people just like me, he has the right to walk safely past, without comment. What Imus did didn't approach this but I don't think it's arguable that his actions were not harmful in some way. If this Imus situation gets kids and young adults talking about race in modulated tones, it's a good thing it happened. |
*GPK walks in the room....and turns around and tiptoes right back out....*
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How's the Unit coming along? |
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Jackson and Sharpton are racists, plain and simple. There is a litany of quotes attributed to them that would qualify. It's so obvious I won't even waste my time googling them for you. |
(Disclaimer - If you are an intelligent person you will see my point in this thread. If you are not you will see this as some racisist slam against African Americans. If you see this as some slam, insult, etc, I suggest you pm me with your racial slurs. Otherwise, lets talk intelligently here ok?)
nice inoculation. if anyone has a problem with your post they are obviously stupid. no intelligent person can miss your point. and to top it off they are likely to pm you with racial slurs. excellent work. African Americans deserve better then this. As a whole, you have who speaking on your behalf? Sharpton? Jackson? PLEASE! Rappers? Etc etc, IT IS TIME FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND GET someone to speak on their behalf who can REPRESENT! Represent those folks in the south, say Alabama and Georgia bustin tail for pennies on the dollar. Scrappin. How bout their kids in those schools in the south? WHERE IS THE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV JACKSON AND THE RRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVV SHARPTON when it comes to those black kids in the south of hard workin families who go without in their schools? have you thought of becoming a spokeman for the african american community yourself? they could learn a lot from you. |
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I face racisim all the time. People are always jealous of my spectacularly good looks. I ought not apologize for the fact that I am better looking than everyone else. |
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race issue is such a touchy subject, i guess i'll throw in my 2 cents.
First off i guess, I dont consider myself racist at all. I will admit being weary of a certain "race" right now because of terrorism, but lets not get into that right now. I do like to joke about all races, religion, gender, sexual orientation, because I like jokes and I like laughing and I understand that those jokes are just said to make people laugh and not to offend, which is what I believe Imus was doing... he just went overboard and it wasnt funny. I am watching Cold Pizza right now and they are talking about race and crime in sports, and the USA today cover. Anyways, this is going to belong in the politics thread but I'll say it here. I really feel bad for the African Americans and how they are portrayed in the media as thugs (the NFL guys). If you look at the USA today cover, there are (I think) 51 pictures of people who have committed crimes lately from the NFL and 49 of those people are black. Now, for a young African American boy, who has committed no crimes, looks at this cover and thinks, man, those guys look like me and they are criminals.. maybe than I am just a criminal. It can really hurt the psyche of a certain race. Alright, so I know people will say.. well those 49 black men committed crimes so we shouldnt feel bad so I guess I'll dig a little further. Growing up, I heard a lot of prejudice remarks (aka.. blacks cause everything wrong...etc) and it just bugs me so much. Why cant prejudice people understand the history of African Americans, I mean it wasnt til the 1860's till they were even FREE in this country, they were owned and put to work for nothing.. as degrading as anything can be for a human. It wasnt until the late 1960's that "equal rights" came into place. African American had to go to seperate schools, use seperate bathrooms, I am sure denied jobs left and right. The 1960's were not long ago people, and equality still hasnt happened. It just bothers me so much that some people arent given the chance to succeed from day one, and then the media has to put it in their face all the time. (and I am not talking about the NFL players.. they should have known better and not messed up the chance to have great careers, I am talking about the young intercity African Americans who are born to a poor family and given terrible educations with the city schools and harrassed by the media and the cops.) An African American friend of mine from Housten, who played football at Arizona when I was there, told me so many stories of growing up, he'd just be walking down the street minding his own business and he'd be harrassed by cops, searched, belittled, etc, just cause he's a black man walking down the street. Its not fair and its not right. To fix it we need to start from the root. We need to put more effort into the poor areas of the country, to help these kids get a really good education and realize there is more too life and they have the chance to be whoever they want to be. American is not equal, and if you think about the history and all that African Americans have had to go through in America, its never been equal and a change really needs to come. Everyone needs to stop looking at skin color and start caring about the lives of our fellow Americans. |
Let's take a trip down Memory Lane.
Name 2 of the first people to show up in New Orleans and advocate for crisis intervention. a. George Bush b. Michael "You're Doing A Heckuva Job" c. Al Sharpton d. Jesse Jackson And please, I've seen the word racism freely bandied about. Consider that black leaders BY NECESSITY have to promote causes that further the black community and fight for equality against the systematic exclusion of blacks. That is most DEFINITELY NOT racism. I'm just asking you all to reconsider the meaning of racism and what it might entail to eradicate it. If you think the steps that are necessary to erase racism are indeed racist, then you have some basic issues that need correcting. Good day to you all. |
If Pacman throws $81K in dollar bills over this thread, will you give it back or run away with it so he can bust a cap in your a$$??
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Finally, a couple posts by folks not afraid to tell the truth...Antitrust and you are dead on correct. I refuse to attempt a philosophical/sociological discussion of racism here for obvious reasons. People want to call Jesse and Sharpton names because they speak out against injustice, I think that speaks for itself. Nobody was harder on Al than I was when he got involved in the Tawana Brawley mess...but while he jumped too fast he was merely taking a young girl's word, and frankly...given my experiences, there was no reason to believe that what she said didn't occur. We can debate whether racism can even occur without power...that would really get the troops in an uproar but it's too deep a discussion for me to bother with right now. I just wish that some of the folks who think Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are the problems would have been with me in the 60's and early 70's and experienced the hate I did for merely demanding an end to racial violence and the degrading of an entire race...frankly, I admire black leaders for their restraint...Dr King's legacy lives on through them! I'm afraid I'd be far more aggressive if I were them! |
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