Hartlage: High Heels a Derby Candidate
 

Gary Hartlage, popular Churchill-Oaklawn circuit trainer known as "Red Dog", speculated on "At the Races and Beyond" Monday that he is considering a start in Derby 133 with his Fantasy (Gr.II) winning filly HIGH HEELS.

Steve it's a little late for April Fools jokes.

Well I guess this is as good a thread as any...

I'm running for President of the United States.

What was her speed firgure for the Fantasy?

I think he stated it was a 95.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

maybe it's not such a bad idea considering all the talk about how similar the Oaklawn and Churchill tracks are.

LOL

there are 2 fillys right now that she couldnt come within 10 lenghts of, running her in the derby would be crazy, it would be insane.......

Why do those other two fillies matter if they're not running in the Derby? :rolleyes: :p

It would be the 19 other COLTS I'd be worried about. LOL

High Heels 95
Nobiz 98
Cowtown Cat 98
Tiago 100
Lawyer Ron 109
Magna Graduate 110
Silver Wagon 111

I guess she's right there with Nobiz and Cowtown!!!

stop!

Before spouting off about the West Coast girls...

1. She's actually faster off this race than Rags to Riches.

2. Magnificience needs to do her thing around two turns.

And she's got a 10 race foundation under her, unlike many colts rushing at the Derby. Not the craziest notion to swing for the fences... He nominated her for the TC last year for a reason.

Hartlage/Johnson have a hard enough time winning bottom level claiming races, much less the Kentucky Derby. This is insanity.

Hey maybe it's her owners first and last chance. Many before them have ran horses with a whole lot less chance so why not them? People on here act like they wouldn't get Derby fever when many on here are going crazy over a Mid level claimer racing way over her head in a race at Keeneland on Wed. I'm just saying if they'll let her in the gate and she was maybe my only chance at ever starting a horse in the Derby then load her up I'd say to the starter crew.

There is nothing wrong with the Oaks. I would love to see a filly in the Derby though.

She'll be lucky to run in the money for the Oaks, much less finish in the top 15 of the Derby. They're out of their freakin' minds if they run this horse in the Derby off of a gift pace scenario in the Fantasy.

No, he stated with Steve it was a 95.

I was making dinner and spit out my Diet Coke when I heard him say something about "not ruling out the Derby yet...."

I guess she's a better fit for the Derby than Going Wild back in 2005....

That's what I thought I heard too... had a mouthful of pasta at the time. (Nope, it didn't end up on the screen... nothing surprises me anymore.)

And for heavens sake... switch to regular coke... diet is AWFUL for your health. :p

I know I know. But I've adjusted to the taste of diet. The real stuff tastes like syrup at this point.

I have no problem with people saying a filly shouldn't run in the Derby. But at least if u are going to say that, u should also say that at least 10 of the males that will be in there shouldn't be there either. That 95 she earned put her in the same area as 90% of the male contenders. If she can run a 95 and shouldn't be there, neither should Nobiz, who's yet to crack 98 in his career.

do you actually think this filly would have a shot in the derby ?

thats what im saying, im just not being that bold about it

also... im not a huge fan of Rags to Riches but i am a huge fan of Magnificience and i have no doubt in my mind that she would beat high heels by open lenghts around 2 turns, regardless of the experience and the 10 race foundation

Hahahaha!!!

It is a Genuine Risk to run her, and they shouldn't Regret doing so because when they hit the wire, she may be carrying the Winning Colors.



Can't fault anybody that wants to go for it. As KG says, there are worse colts than her going to the gate.

thats a strong opinion.....

if you have something to say, say it, what is hahaha ?

this filly high heels had a dream setup and beat a average group at best Magnificience is running triple digit speed figures and winning for fun, is there any comparison?

Dude, what has Magnificience done around two turns?! Do you have a crystal ball to predict that she'll do so convincingly? You have no rhyme or reason to your bold proclamations and it's hilarious!

Actually High Heels is faster at this point than RTR and Magnificence is said to be sold and remain in California and skip the Oaks and try for G 1 black type out there.

dude, who would you take based off of what you have seen ? high heels or Magnificience ? im sure more ppl would be taking Magnificience

Your SURE wrong....

I see no problem with them taking her. Like Packer said earlier, if it's possibly a shot to get into the Derby, why not take it?

She certainly won't have the least impressive resume in the field should she go.

And it's not like with all this talk of a "dream setup" last time out, that she wouldn't be likely to get the very same setup in the Derby, albeit with more traffic.

I would take the more experienced filly with more experience around two turns in the Kentucky Derby. The Derby isn't always won by the fastest and most talented of the 20 entered. It can be a real crapshoot depending upon trip and post position.

AGREED!!!........Could he please change his name from Pointgiven to Going Wild 2005

Quote of the day.

I'd take High Heels in a second. And we'd probably get good odds on that race too given the eleventy billion dollars he would "bet" to win on the Cali girl.

Five RATTLES :D

Can I be your VP?

Speed figures are just educated opinions, not facts.



Please forward this to Red Dog and hope he interprets it correctly.

by that you mean that her figure was actually better than it appears and she definitely belongs in the starting gate on may 6th?:rolleyes:

May 5th

may 5 derby and boxing..gotta love it