US Based Stallions
 

Just wondering if you had a free season to any US based Stallion would Storm Cat be in your top two, or would you push him lower behind AP Indy and Kingmambo or maybe someone else???? Assuming you had a mare who could cross to any of the three.....

PSH

I would choose Seeking The Gold. His family just has so
many great horses in it

I would love to find a Stallion with a dying sire line (ex. Princequillo.) There are way too many Mr. P, Northern Dancer etc. sire lined stallions out there.

Another Stallion I would had love to breed to was Lord At War, his
offspring could run on any surface.

Interesting
 

Read that 95%+ of all horses bred today have that Mr. Prospector/Northern Dancer cross and it is extremely difficult to get away from that. Believe that Kris S. might be one sire who gets you away from that...

PSH

the great indian charlie is almost a complete outcross to all major sire lines these days!

i've always been fond of jade hunter too. he's sired some remarkable horses, yet stands for only 5k after being banished to ny.

If I had a nice mare, I'd take a shot with Holy Bull.

He would have been before he croaked

My bad
 

I can't keep up with who is still alive and who passed away.....

PSH

Depends on physical aspects of mare, her conformation, etc. as well as breeding. I was looking at the stallion stats in the Thoroughgraphs yesterday and noted how ordinary Storm Cats's offsprings average numbers were in relation to A.P. Indy's.

Storm Cat wouldn't be in my top 10.
Is Tinners Way still alive? I'd go to him....keep that Big Red sire line alive!!

chesterhouse...:D

Yes, he is. He's out in Texas.

I'd rather Innkeeper, though. Although, he's more a performance horse sire, he's well conformed and still breeds to a few race mares.

The thing about Kris S.was he got an unusually high # of bums that looked like plowhorses. He sired some great horses and I regarded him as a good stallion but he was really tricky to breed to. One thing that high end breeders like about Storm Cat is that he usually produces sharp looking horses that were very marketable.

You would certainly have a lot of $ left over

I bought a bum Kris S. once that did not look like a plowhorse but did run like one

Thorograph Numbers
 

It is interesting using the average thorograph number for sire offspring how many sires start to look like decent bargains when you compare them against their much more expensive counterparts....

PSH

I loved Action This Day... hope his two year olds run well next year.

Rock Hard Ten sorta resembles a plow horse (a fast one.) :D

sorry son but he croaked too...

if we're talking free here I think I would like a seeking the gold or maybe awesome again depending on the mare.

if we're going with budget free...i want a More than ready...but a filly please.:p

Come to think of it... I wouldn't mind having a Cozzene baby either. :)

I saw him at Gainesway a few years ago he was really striking...almost white:)

ill go with a smart strike by azeri...:D

3 of my top choices too, along with A.P. Indy (or even Aptitude if I'm feeling cheap) & Empire Maker....I'm going to need more mares. :cool:

Storm Cat wouldn't be anywhere on my list honestly. Anyone catch the list of his top yearling progeny by sales price in the past few years and their race record (or lack thereof)?

I agree that Empire Maker could turn out to be a very, very attractive stallion. I also love Distorted Humor, Belong To Me and 2 newbies Bellamy Road and Artie Schiller(for the fee they seem very attractive)

Indeed, apparently Tinners Way is standing for $2000.
That is really the kind of stallion I would take a shot on though. The ones that were fabulously bred, and were excellent on the track, but have not been that great at stud.
Grindstone and Skip Away would be on my list as well.

For their bloodlines, More Than Ready, Devil His Due, and Pleasant Tap.

Do I have to race the baby or may I sell?

To race, Distorted Humor, Cozzene, Dynafomer, More than Ready (a filly, please) Smart Strike or maybe Johannesburg.

To sell, Storm Cat is still the most likely to sire a sales topper followed by AP Indy. Distorted Humor has also become a very good seller. Mr Greeley has suddenly become a monster seller too.

i'd like Two Davids and Connecticut for the lines. and i would recommend Alladin Rib and Mr Brilliant for theirs.

Then a more commercial route would be Easyfromthegitgo and Lost Soldier for the mare i have in mind.

Malibu Moon.......his numbers are pretty good.

always liked him.

i think i'd head to distorted humor with the right mare. or include, always partial to broad brush as well.
then there's officer, or maybe vindication. hard to say with this mythical mare of mine....

or maybe running stag!

Aonther who seems to throw runners on either dirt or turf and is not mentioned much is Mizzen Mast.

Unbridled's Song baby! or Vindication or Langfur

Depending on the mare's pedigree, I would suggest A.P. Indy(the best sire out there) or one of his sons. Vindication would be a great mating, being another son of Seattle Slew. If the mare has Slew in her pedigree, I would choose from the Mr. Prospector line. I like Fupeg and Thunder Gulch. :D

He was Great over here,Ive had the honour in dealing with a few of his produce & man they allways produce the goods

How about Pulpit or Lemon Drop Kid??

Or maybe Donneraile Court??

um...i guess i am crazy but yes, storm cat would be my #1.
his are worth the most $$$. what else matters?

haha hell yea

If you go under the assumption that you would turn around and essentially pinhook the yearling there is no doubt that you would take the free cover to Storm Cat. Just take a look at the Keeneland September sale first couple of books. It is a no-brainer.

However, if you wanted the little guy(or gal) for yourself there would be some options. You really cannot go wrong with the offspring of Storm Cat, AP Indy, Kingmambo, Distorted Humor, Dynaformer, Elusive Quality. They are all proven. I would say that any stallion that has been covering for five years or so and still has a stud fee greater than 50K would be a great bargain for "free".

Take a look in the Bloodhorse or Thoroughbred times at the stakes/allowance results and check out the sires the winning horses. You will be amazed at how generally consistent it is with the top studs producing the best horses.

There still is that amazing factoid out there still that Storm Cat as still not sired a KY Derby winner as amazing as that is. Bluegrass Cat was in the money last year but still waiting for the first one to break thru. Hard to believe that arguably the best stud ever has not produced a derby winner.