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jms62 01-01-2013 08:38 AM

NFL coaching carousel
 
Out of the seven tossed I see Andy Reid and Lovie Smith quickly finding NFL Head Coaching jobs but I don't see the other 5 as NFL Head coaches next year. Am I Mr. Obvious?

Calzone Lord 01-01-2013 09:14 AM

The Arizona coach will get another chance. He almost won a Super Bowl out there.

Probably won't get a real attractive situation though.

The rest are coordinators.

jms62 01-02-2013 07:55 AM

This is how I rate the open postions for attractiveness of players already in place.

1) SD
2) Bears
3) Philly
4) Arizona
5) Browns
6) Bills
7) KC

declansharbor 01-03-2013 09:57 AM

Andy to the Chiefs?!? It's going to take a brave soul to accept that position, but here's to the thought of him turning that franchise around! Guess it's a Hali jersey i'm ordering instead of a Patrick Peterson! :$:

Danzig 01-03-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 909999)
Andy to the Chiefs?!? It's going to take a brave soul to accept that position, but here's to the thought of him turning that franchise around! Guess it's a Hali jersey i'm ordering instead of a Patrick Peterson! :$:

that'd be a hell of a challenge. i can see why he'd want it. first things first, get a good qb.

MaTH716 01-03-2013 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 910005)
that'd be a hell of a challenge. i can see why he'd want it. first things first, get a good qb.

Parcells Syndrome: No where to go but up.

Danzig 01-03-2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 910012)
Parcells Syndrome: No where to go but up.

seriously. now, were i a coach, i'd want to go to pittsburgh. great owner, great approach to how football is handled.
dallas-not in a million years.
i was surprised they just kept romeo on, rather than hire someone else, for this year. i thought it was a bad move on kc's part, basically conceding the season with that move.

MaTH716 01-03-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 910013)
seriously. now, were i a coach, i'd want to go to pittsburgh. great owner, great approach to how football is handled.
dallas-not in a million years.
i was surprised they just kept romeo on, rather than hire someone else, for this year. i thought it was a bad move on kc's part, basically conceding the season with that move.

The season was conceded when they went into the season with Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn as their QB's.

Who were the hot candidates last season that were head and shoulders better tha Romeo? Realistically speaking they probably would have sucked with Bill Walsh coaching them.

3kings 01-03-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 910018)
The season was conceded when they went into the season with Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn as their QB's.

Who were the hot candidates last season that were head and shoulders better tha Romeo? Realistically speaking they probably would have sucked with Bill Walsh coaching them.

They have no QB but they have a good running game and the defense isn't awful. I think if he gets a QB they will be close to 8-8 in that division. Getting a QB is the big if.

declansharbor 01-03-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 910018)
The season was conceded when they went into the season with Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn as their QB's.

Who were the hot candidates last season that were head and shoulders better tha Romeo? Realistically speaking they probably would have sucked with Bill Walsh coaching them.

To be fair, it's not like they had a shot at Luck or RG3, and Peyton knew better then to sign there.

MaTH716 01-03-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 910023)
To be fair, it's not like they had a shot at Luck or RG3, and Peyton knew better then to sign there.

Couldn't they trade up like the Skins did?

declansharbor 01-03-2013 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 910025)
Couldn't they trade up like the Skins did?

If they didn't have many other glaring needs, maybe they would've mortgaged their future on a chance that they draft the right guy. As they stood, they needed all the picks that they could accrue. Right or wrong move is yet to be determined, although the play from the two top rookies is making sitting idle look like the wrong move.

The Skins had ONE glaring need, and they filled it. (and gave a lot up to get it)

Danzig 01-03-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 910018)
The season was conceded when they went into the season with Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn as their QB's.
Who were the hot candidates last season that were head and shoulders better tha Romeo? Realistically speaking they probably would have sucked with Bill Walsh coaching them.

:D

i'm not so sure it has to be a 'hot' candidate...but i thought romeo was just an 'eh, he's here, let him try' kind of deal. their qb's suck, so true. i think they take the 'he's here, so let him try' line with all their players, not just the coach! hopefully reid can improve the situation there, it's a godawful mess.

declansharbor 01-03-2013 11:49 AM

KC fans better HOPE that Reid doesn't bring in Marty to his staff. They should just go separate ways, together they've been stale for years.

MaTH716 01-03-2013 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 910031)
:D

i'm not so sure it has to be a 'hot' candidate...but i thought romeo was just an 'eh, he's here, let him try' kind of deal. their qb's suck, so true. i think they take the 'he's here, so let him try' line with all their players, not just the coach! hopefully reid can improve the situation there, it's a godawful mess.

Romeo was a defensive minded coach for a defensive suited team. They also played alright in the 3 games he coached after they axed Haley. So I guess it made sense, plus Romeo probably didn't make what Reid's gonna get. The only guy who comes to mind who was available (besides Gruden & Cowher) was Jeff Fisher and the Rams gobbled him up pretty quickly. Alot more sexier/bigger names are out there this year. You would think that Reid is at least a step in the right direction.

You would think that they are so bad, that Reid will have a pass for a few years, while he re-shapes the team/organization. Like I said, they have no-where to go but up.

Danzig 01-03-2013 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 910034)
Romeo was a defensive minded coach for a defensive suited team. They also played alright in the 3 games he coached after they axed Haley. So I guess it made sense, plus Romeo probably didn't make what Reid's gonna get. The only guy who comes to mind who was available (besides Gruden & Cowher) was Jeff Fisher and the Rams gobbled him up pretty quickly. Alot more sexier/bigger names are out there this year. You would think that Reid is at least a step in the right direction.

You would think that they are so bad, that Reid will have a pass for a few years, while he re-shapes the team/organization. Like I said, they have no-where to go but up.

i'm sure he told them something along the lines of what shanahan told dan snyder-it's a 5 year project. don't expect miracles, or a quick fix.
and yeah, defensive minded is ok...but look at rex ryan, lovie, and romeo-where did it get them? a dc becoming a head coach needs to do one thing well-hire a great oc!!

Rudeboyelvis 01-03-2013 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 910021)
They have no QB but they have a good running game and the defense isn't awful. I think if he gets a QB they will be close to 8-8 in that division. Getting a QB is the big if.

Totally agree. I find KC one of the more attractive opportunities out there. Their D is actually fairly solid, they just never get off the field. One of the lowest in time of possession in the league.
Agree with JMS that SD would be the most enticing with the Bears a close second. KC right there next depending on what their plans are to address the QB slot long term.

slotdirt 01-04-2013 08:29 AM

Reid would have some fun with that offense provided there is a quarterback with even a lick of talent. Jamaal Charles is awesome.

I don't know about the love for SD and Chicago. Both are aging teams. I actually think the Browns could be a pretty good situation for the right coach given the talent available if they weren't, you know, the Browns. Still, their new owner wants to be the Steelers and is willing to spend to get to that point. I would have kept Shurmur myself as the Browns got a lot better this year, but in almost every key position, they have young talent.

I also dispute the notion that the Redskins had just one glaring need. A lot of their defense are castoffs or overpaid (D. Hall). The receivers are better than the James Thrash years, but still not exactly Rice and Taylor. I actually think drafting Morris was the more intelligent pick in last year's draft. He's been dynamite and has carried the team in the games Griffin hasn't (see last Sunday's night's game).

Danzig 01-04-2013 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 910141)
Reid would have some fun with that offense provided there is a quarterback with even a lick of talent. Jamaal Charles is awesome.

I don't know about the love for SD and Chicago. Both are aging teams. I actually think the Browns could be a pretty good situation for the right coach given the talent available if they weren't, you know, the Browns. Still, their new owner wants to be the Steelers and is willing to spend to get to that point. I would have kept Shurmur myself as the Browns got a lot better this year, but in almost every key position, they have young talent.

I also dispute the notion that the Redskins had just one glaring need. A lot of their defense are castoffs or overpaid (D. Hall). The receivers are better than the James Thrash years, but still not exactly Rice and Taylor. I actually think drafting Morris was the more intelligent pick in last year's draft. He's been dynamite and has carried the team in the games Griffin hasn't (see last Sunday's night's game).

SD is a draw because of the weather for one. and judging by the length of time norv turner was given to screw up the team, the owner seems fairly patient with coaches.

Rudeboyelvis 01-04-2013 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 910141)
Reid would have some fun with that offense provided there is a quarterback with even a lick of talent. Jamaal Charles is awesome.

I don't know about the love for SD and Chicago. Both are aging teams. I actually think the Browns could be a pretty good situation for the right coach given the talent available if they weren't, you know, the Browns. Still, their new owner wants to be the Steelers and is willing to spend to get to that point. I would have kept Shurmur myself as the Browns got a lot better this year, but in almost every key position, they have young talent.

I also dispute the notion that the Redskins had just one glaring need. A lot of their defense are castoffs or overpaid (D. Hall). The receivers are better than the James Thrash years, but still not exactly Rice and Taylor. I actually think drafting Morris was the more intelligent pick in last year's draft. He's been dynamite and has carried the team in the games Griffin hasn't (see last Sunday's night's game).

Good points. I think success in SD will hinge on the ability to get Phillip River's head out of his ass. Somehow. He as shown in the past the ability to play at a championship level, and while the loss of Vincent Jackson and Darren Sproles hurts, he still has weapons and they will likely use a top pick on the offense to address one of those positions (in addition, I think we can all agree that Antonio Gates is done)
Chicago suffered from the injury bug, I'm still shocked Lovie lost his job over this. They are indeed aging, but think that Cutler & Forte have a good year or two left in the tank.
Philly is interesting - there is no doubt they have one of the strongest run defenses in the league, but the secondary could use a little help. Solid at TE, back field with a healthy Leshawn McCoy and Bryce Brown, the need consistency at WR and a reliable QB.
KC as I've said is only a QB from contending in that division.
Of the last 3 the Browns are probably best in regard of staff - young and talanted - will not contend next year but the following year watch out.
The problems in Buffalo and Pheonix are deeper than a position or two and would be a challenge without the now famous Mike Shanahan "5 year commitment"

3kings 01-04-2013 09:08 AM

I don't think SD is that good a job. The owner has been notoriously cheap and they have lost a ton of good players the last few years. Mathews is always hurt, Gates is old and while Rivers is good, he has taken a lot of hits and his best days could be behind him.

Rudeboyelvis 01-04-2013 01:03 PM

Andy Reid to the Chiefs:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...hiefs/1809131/

I think this is an outstanding move by both sides. Will be interesting to see if they try to make a play for an experienced QB like Alex Smith, or draft one.

jms62 01-04-2013 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 910189)
Andy Reid to the Chiefs:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...hiefs/1809131/

I think this is an outstanding move by both sides. Will be interesting to see if they try to make a play for an experienced QB like Alex Smith, or draft one.

I hear the Bills are making a run at Smith and as a Bills fan I am not happy with it. They were about to jettision him prior to Harbaugh taking over. He had some success under Harbaugh but not enough success that he lost his job to a rookie. Harbaugh obviously making a statement with that move and it would be foolish to waste another 3 years trying to prove him wrong.

3kings 01-04-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 910191)
I hear the Bills are making a run at Smith and as a Bills fan I am not happy with it. They were about to jettision him prior to Harbaugh taking over. He had some success under Harbaugh but not enough success that he lost his job to a rookie. Harbaugh obviously making a statement with that move and it would be foolish to waste another 3 years trying to prove him wrong.

I agree. If I were a Bill fan I would not want Smith. He is average and a game manager and that only works with a team that has a good running game and great defense.

MaTH716 01-04-2013 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 910194)
I agree. If I were a Bill fan I would not want Smith. He is average and a game manager and that only works with a team that has a good running game and great defense.

Not comparing the Bills to the 85 Bears, but isn't this what they are/trying to be?

3kings 01-04-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 910195)
Not comparing the Bills to the 85 Bears, but isn't this what they are/trying to be?

I don't know. They were almost last against the run this year and they gave up a lot of points in a division where 2 of 3 teams were offensively challanged. They need a QB who is a diference maker not a marginal player. They aren't close enough.

Danzig 01-04-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 910152)
I don't think SD is that good a job. The owner has been notoriously cheap and they have lost a ton of good players the last few years. Mathews is always hurt, Gates is old and while Rivers is good, he has taken a lot of hits and his best days could be behind him.

rivers isn't that good-if not for sanchez, he'd be the worst qb interception-wise. he's thrown the most over the last two seasons in the league, except for mark s.

hi_im_god 01-04-2013 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 910199)
rivers isn't that good-if not for sanchez, he'd be the worst qb interception-wise. he's thrown the most over the last two seasons in the league, except for mark s.

rivers is playing behind jerome clary at one tackle and michael harris at the other. you could put aaron rodgers behind those two and he'd probably look an awful lot like phillip rivers did this season.

i'd change your phrasing a little and say that if not for arizona, san diego would have the worst offensive line in pro football.

rivers might still be a stiff. he's probably not ever going to be a top 3 nfl qb. but put him behind a decent line and he's not going to embarrass himself.

MaTH716 01-04-2013 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 910205)
rivers is playing behind jerome clary at one tackle and michael harris at the other. you could put aaron rodgers behind those two and he'd probably look an awful lot like phillip rivers did this season.

i'd change your phrasing a little and say that if not for arizona, san diego would have the worst offensive line in pro football.

rivers might still be a stiff. he's probably not ever going to be a top 3 nfl qb. but put him behind a decent line and he's not going to embarrass himself.

I'm not a huge Rivers guy, but I'm thinking the porus line has something to do with some of the poor decisions/passes that he's made. But I have tremendous respect for the guy after he gutted it out that year and played against the Pats in the AFC title game with a sprained knee. Bottom line is that I think he's a lot better than he's shown in the past few seasons.

Rudeboyelvis 01-04-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 910191)
I hear the Bills are making a run at Smith and as a Bills fan I am not happy with it. They were about to jettision him prior to Harbaugh taking over. He had some success under Harbaugh but not enough success that he lost his job to a rookie. Harbaugh obviously making a statement with that move and it would be foolish to waste another 3 years trying to prove him wrong.

Agreed - He isn't a fit there - they already have Fitzpatrick who is virtually the same guy with more int's. They need a play maker.

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 910194)
I agree. If I were a Bill fan I would not want Smith. He is average and a game manager and that only works with a team that has a good running game and great defense.

He sounds like a nice fit in Philly. But seriously, where do these QB-desperate teams go? This draft is not full of legit first rounders like Luck, Griffin or Wilson.
And historically, this season has been an aberration with regard to rookie success.

I believe we're definitely going to see Smith dealt, and a lot of Carson Palmer-type deals cut with teams paying way too much in picks to solidify the position.

Danzig 01-04-2013 09:27 PM

i'm figuring someone will make a run at flynn, and there may be calls to the skins for cousins, who did a good job for them when griffin was out. not sure who else may be able to move up tho...
barkley didn't do himself any favors staying another year at usc, speaking of qb's and the draft.

jms62 01-05-2013 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 910223)
Agreed - He isn't a fit there - they already have Fitzpatrick who is virtually the same guy with more int's. They need a play maker.



He sounds like a nice fit in Philly. But seriously, where do these QB-desperate teams go? This draft is not full of legit first rounders like Luck, Griffin or Wilson.
And historically, this season has been an aberration with regard to rookie success.

I believe we're definitely going to see Smith dealt, and a lot of Carson Palmer-type deals cut with teams paying way too much in picks to solidify the position.

I don't see any existing QB that will be available having the goods to get a team to the Super Bowl. After experiencing Rob Johnson and Ryan Fitzpatrick I no longer get excited by a backup who fills in and has a great game. Cousins may be the exception since he did it as a Rookie and he had no chance to compete for the role so I view him differently. Having said that I highly doubt he will be available. Reason I say this is I view RGIII as a very risky option at QB long term. While a great player the fact that he runs quite a bit exposes him to hits and he will get hurt and will miss time. It is a game of Russian roulette every time he runs. There are not many teams that can make a run for the playoffs with their backups playing a significant amount of time. Cousins has shown he may be a bit more than that and I think the Skins would be foolish to deal him if they want to compete for the Super Bowl for the next few years. They certainly are a team on the upswing and dealing him would add a bit of risk to the equation.

Danzig 01-05-2013 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 910248)
I don't see any existing QB that will be available having the goods to get a team to the Super Bowl. After experiencing Rob Johnson and Ryan Fitzpatrick I no longer get excited by a backup who fills in and has a great game. Cousins may be the exception since he did it as a Rookie and he had no chance to compete for the role so I view him differently. Having said that I highly doubt he will be available. Reason I say this is I view RGIII as a very risky option at QB long term. While a great player the fact that he runs quite a bit exposes him to hits and he will get hurt and will miss time. It is a game of Russian roulette every time he runs. There are not many teams that can make a run for the playoffs with their backups playing a significant amount of time. Cousins has shown he may be a bit more than that and I think the Skins would be foolish to deal him if they want to compete for the Super Bowl for the next few years. They certainly are a team on the upswing and dealing him would add a bit of risk to the equation.

i'm not saying i want him dealt...i'm just sure there will be interest. and griffin running is scary-but i know they've talked to him about the importance of sliding and getting out of bounds. he doesn't want to miss time any more than the rest of the team does, so hopefully he will be a savvier runner.

MaTH716 01-06-2013 08:28 AM

Bills to hire Syracuse coach. I know nothing about Marrone, but I just have a feeling that Bills fans are not going to be too thrilled with this.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/88...ge-sources-say

declansharbor 01-06-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 910510)
Bills to hire Syracuse coach. I know nothing about Marrone, but I just have a feeling that Bills fans are not going to be too thrilled with this.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/88...ge-sources-say

He's one of the four guys that i'd be happy with in Eagle green. I guess i'm down to Bruce Arians, Gus Bradley and Mike McCoy.

NTamm1215 01-06-2013 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 910534)
He's one of the four guys that i'd be happy with in Eagle green. I guess i'm down to Bruce Arians, Gus Bradley and Mike McCoy.

Do you think that an unproven guy is the right answer for the Eagles? I think if Arians doesn't get a job this off-season it's a travesty. The job he did this year in Indy was phenomenal, but I'm wondering if that talent-laden Eagles roster (especially on defense) would be better off with a proven commodity. Given the talent they have on defense, someone like Lovie Smith would make sense to me.

It is a bit ironic that the head coaches that are en vogue are so cyclical. Schiano does well with Tampa and now college coaches are popular again. After McCarthy, Childress, Smith and many others jumped up and had success, coordinators with no experience became the best hires.

3kings 01-06-2013 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 910542)
Do you think that an unproven guy is the right answer for the Eagles? I think if Arians doesn't get a job this off-season it's a travesty. The job he did this year in Indy was phenomenal, but I'm wondering if that talent-laden Eagles roster (especially on defense) would be better off with a proven commodity. Given the talent they have on defense, someone like Lovie Smith would make sense to me.

It is a bit ironic that the head coaches that are en vogue are so cyclical. Schiano does well with Tampa and now college coaches are popular again. After McCarthy, Childress, Smith and many others jumped up and had success, coordinators with no experience became the best hires.

I will be interested to see how Shiano works out, there was a lot of anonymous resentment towards him at the end of the season.

slotdirt 01-06-2013 03:08 PM

This is the first time the last couple of seasons that I've heard the words "talent" and "Eagles defense" in the same sentence.

NTamm1215 01-06-2013 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 910658)
This is the first time the last couple of seasons that I've heard the words "talent" and "Eagles defense" in the same sentence.

Nnamdi Asomugha, Trent Cole, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and Demeco Ryans are talented players who have underperformed either since coming to Philly or suddenly in the last few years. They have $32.6 million tied up in Asomugha ($15m), Cole ($3.5m), Mike Patterson ($2.9m), Cullen Jenkins ($4.5m), Ryans ($6.7m) next year. They have badly underperformed but have all shown talent at some point. After all, this is a team that is two short seasons removed from being dubbed "The Dream Team" by the one and only Vince Young.

Rudeboyelvis 01-06-2013 10:04 PM

Chip Kelly staying at Oregon:

http://nesn.com/2013/01/report-chip-...ing-on-to-nfl/


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