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OldDog 05-19-2015 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1027863)
Not sure this is the forum to brag about beating your wife regularly.
That's one way to read it.

Have you stopped beating yours?

:p

asudevil 05-19-2015 05:45 PM
Yawn!!!!

blackthroatedwind 05-19-2015 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 1027875)
Yawn!!!!
You mean you find the lectures boorish?

Sightseek 05-19-2015 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tector (Post 1027843)
All the infighting aside, Haskin's "profiling", etc., it strikes me it is MUCH, MUCH harder to win the TC than in days past due to:

1. Changes in the breed
2. Changes in preferred training methods (largely a function of 1)
3. Changes in trainer tactics as to which races to participate in (largely a function of 2)
4. Field sizes

The Derby winner is being asked to do things that no other quality horse is ever asked to do today. Meanwhile, everybody else picks their spots and can adhere to a far more normal regimen, even though they are asked to go what is now a freakish distance in the Belmont.

Any horse that ever gets across those 3 wires first in only 5 weeks has done an unbelievably difficult thing in our present time--which, until equine-accommodating time machines are built, is the only time in which they can race. What is the most sensible bet is not something that can be determined until there is a live tote board. But I assume every racing fan is rooting for this horse.
I thought this was an interesting article regarding Baffert's training methods. Obviously it will take the right horse and a lot of luck to pull off the Triple Crown, but I think his preparation methods prepare a horse very well for the series.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...lassic-success

RHT2004 05-19-2015 10:22 PM
Bob is the best. Imagine his Belmont day if he wins the triple crown, Met Mile and Woody Stephens.

declansharbor 05-19-2015 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1027890)
Bob is the best. Imagine his Belmont day if he wins the triple crown, Met Mile and Woody Stephens.
Not sure I'd be able to swallow the prices that will be attached to his horses that day. AP being low andBayern would be tough bc of how bad he was last time out. Secret Circle will be tough in the Woody Stephens if he goes.

Can't wait for that weekend to get here!

RHT2004 05-19-2015 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1027893)
Not sure I'd be able to swallow the prices that will be attached to his horses that day. AP being low andBayern would be tough bc of how bad he was last time out. Secret Circle will be tough in the Woody Stephens if he goes.

Can't wait for that weekend to get here!
Woody Stephens is restricted to 3yr olds. I see no reason why Secret Circle wouldn't come for the Belmont Sprint Championship.
I'm with you on not being able to wait. Very excited for that day.

richard burch 05-19-2015 10:44 PM
i just want rain. a lot of rain.

NTamm1215 05-19-2015 10:45 PM
It'll actually be awesome when he wins none of those!

Who the hell is he supposed to win the Woody with, Lord Nelson? Bayern better bounce back in a big way and the Belmont...

asudevil 05-19-2015 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1027879)
You mean you find the lectures boorish?
Slightly.....

Indian Charlie 05-19-2015 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 1027898)
It'll actually be awesome when he wins none of those!

Who the hell is he supposed to win the Woody with, Lord Nelson? Bayern better bounce back in a big way and the Belmont...
Yeah, I can't figure out what lock he has for the Stephens, and if the story about Bayern almost being retired a few months ago is true, you can't like his chances.

I have no idea why you persist in underestimating AP, but him losing is unlikely.

declansharbor 05-19-2015 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1027894)
Woody Stephens is restricted to 3yr olds. I see no reason why Secret Circle wouldn't come for the Belmont Sprint Championship.
I'm with you on not being able to wait. Very excited for that day.

Stupid me should've definitely know that. Can't even blame it on the "loud".

I'm leaving Philly at 6 a.m. Saturday morning. Going to be a long day!

RHT2004 05-19-2015 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 1027901)
Yeah, I can't figure out what lock he has for the Stephens, and if the story about Bayern almost being retired a few months ago is true, you can't like his chances.

I have no idea why you persist in underestimating AP, but him losing is unlikely.
To be fair I did say imagine if. Never mentioned locks.
Lord Nelson 7f or less races have been tons better then him trying to go long. He should have won the Bay Shore.

RHT2004 05-19-2015 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 1027898)
It'll actually be awesome when he wins none of those!

Who the hell is he supposed to win the Woody with, Lord Nelson? Bayern better bounce back in a big way and the Belmont...
Why do you hate Bob? As for Bayern is it unreasonable to assume he won't move forward 2nd start back? He was dealing with some issues over the winter, I'd guess him even showing up for the Met would mean he is healthy.

outofthebox 05-20-2015 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 1027901)
Yeah, I can't figure out what lock he has for the Stephens, and if the story about Bayern almost being retired a few months ago is true, you can't like his chances.

I have no idea why you persist in underestimating AP, but him losing is unlikely.
Lord Byron tries hard but can't see him beating Competitive Edge. I'm not jumping on the Bayern train till he stretches out two turns and projects as the pace setter. With AP i think he will be as ready as Baffert can have him. My only fear is Espinosa at Belmont. He just needs to drop the reins out of the gate and let the horse place himself.

Fulla Sheets 05-20-2015 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tector (Post 1027843)
Any horse that ever gets across those 3 wires first in only 5 weeks has done an unbelievably difficult thing in our present time

He just won 3 races in 5 weeks, counting the Ark Derby through the Preakness. He'll be going for 5 wins in 12 weeks in the Belmont.

GenuineRisk 05-20-2015 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 1027887)
I thought this was an interesting article regarding Baffert's training methods. Obviously it will take the right horse and a lot of luck to pull off the Triple Crown, but I think his preparation methods prepare a horse very well for the series.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...lassic-success
That was a really interesting read; thank you for posting the link!

Danzig 05-20-2015 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1027907)
Why do you hate Bob? As for Bayern is it unreasonable to assume he won't move forward 2nd start back? He was dealing with some issues over the winter, I'd guess him even showing up for the Met would mean he is healthy.
What would make you think its personal, that he hates Bob? I have to say, when I'm at the track and people are yelling for the heavy fave....I shake my head. I'm pretty sure it's more about trying to get a big pay day. And the Belmont oftentimes produces that.

Kasept 05-22-2015 06:51 AM
6/6/15 (BEL): Belmont Stakes

American Pharoah (Baffert/V. Espinoza)
Keen Ice (Romans/Desormeaux)
Mubtaahij (de Kock/I. Ortiz)
Tale of Verve (Stewart/Stevens)
Madefromlucky (Pletcher/TBA)
Carpe Diem (Pletcher/Velazquez)
Materiality (Pletcher/Castellano)
Frosted (McLaughlin/Rosario)
Frammento (Zito/Smith)
War Story (Amoss/C. Hernandez)
Conquest Curlinate (Casse/Bridgmohan)

Sightseek 05-22-2015 01:15 PM
For anyone else who can obsessively watch horses all day, today's workouts are on NYRA's youtube page.

knickslions2 05-26-2015 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1028155)
6/6/15 (BEL): Belmont Stakes

American Pharoah (Baffert/V. Espinoza)
Keen Ice (Romans/Desormeaux)
Mubtaahij (de Kock/I. Ortiz)
Tale of Verve (Stewart/Stevens)
Madefromlucky (Pletcher/TBA)
Carpe Diem (Pletcher/Velazquez)
Materiality (Pletcher/Castellano)
Frosted (McLaughlin/Rosario)
Frammento (Zito/Smith)
War Story (Amoss/C. Hernandez)
Conquest Curlinate (Casse/Bridgmohan)
War Story is out of Belmont heading to Ohio derby

-BT- 05-26-2015 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1028779)
War Story is out of Belmont heading to Ohio derby
Dr. Cleveland breaking those hard hitting stories first thing!!!

-bt-

knickslions2 05-26-2015 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 1028786)
Dr. Cleveland breaking those hard hitting stories first thing!!!

-bt-
That's what I'm here for Brian. I know that horse was top of many peoples list :).

3kings 05-26-2015 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1028787)
That's what I'm here for Brian. I know that horse was top of many peoples list :).
I hate when hopeless horses scratch during the triple crown. They all take money because of the Mine that Bird effect, less dead money in the pools.

knickslions2 05-26-2015 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 1028790)
I hate when hopeless horses scratch during the triple crown. They all take money because of the Mine that Bird effect, less dead money in the pools.
Right on there my friend. You still going to Belmont?

blackthroatedwind 05-26-2015 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 1028790)
I hate when hopeless horses scratch during the triple crown. They all take money because of the Mine that Bird effect, less dead money in the pools.
Yeah, thank God the dead money bet on Da'Tara was allowed into the 2008 Belmont pool. It definitely helped increase the odds on whatever horrendous selection I made in that race.

Kitan 05-26-2015 04:07 PM
Is there anywhere that has the PPs for past Belmont winners?

Sightseek 05-26-2015 06:24 PM
Great article:

Out at Third: Triple Crown Denied

http://www.drf.com/news/out-third-triple-crown-denied

robfla 05-26-2015 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kitan (Post 1028807)
Is there anywhere that has the PPs for past Belmont winners?
here:

http://www.drf.com/news/belmont-stakes-history

richard burch 05-26-2015 08:48 PM
if it's sloppy...

American Pharoah (Baffert/V. Espinoza) winner
Keen Ice (Romans/Desormeaux)
Mubtaahij (de Kock/I. Ortiz)
Tale of Verve (Stewart/Stevens)
Madefromlucky (Pletcher/TBA)
Carpe Diem (Pletcher/Velazquez) 3rd
Materiality (Pletcher/Castellano)
Frosted (McLaughlin/Rosario) 2nd
Frammento (Zito/Smith)
Conquest Curlinate (Casse/Bridgmohan)[/quote]

jms62 05-27-2015 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 1028824)
if it's sloppy...

American Pharoah (Baffert/V. Espinoza) winner
Keen Ice (Romans/Desormeaux)
Mubtaahij (de Kock/I. Ortiz)
Tale of Verve (Stewart/Stevens)
Madefromlucky (Pletcher/TBA)
Carpe Diem (Pletcher/Velazquez) 3rd
Materiality (Pletcher/Castellano)
Frosted (McLaughlin/Rosario) 2nd
Frammento (Zito/Smith)
Conquest Curlinate (Casse/Bridgmohan)
For the $15 dollar Trifecta

freddymo 05-27-2015 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1028839)
For the $15 dollar Trifecta
You think Carpe Diem is really going to run? I think he is just prepping for the Jim Dandy?

jms62 05-27-2015 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1028847)
You think Carpe Diem is really going to run? I think he is just prepping for the Jim Dandy?
Not sure the usefulness of prepping at 1 1/2 miles 2+ months out but I am not a talented "Horseman";)

Rudeboyelvis 05-28-2015 06:30 AM
Conquest Curlinate - OUT

Pointing towards the Queen's Plate after a few not-so-great works..

Kasept 05-28-2015 09:48 AM
GRENING: The Truth or Else likely for Belmont

THE TRUTH OR ELSE, a recent allowance winner at Belmont Park , is likely to join the Belmont Stakes field, trainer Ken McPeek said Thursday.

McPeek, who won the 2002 Belmont with longshot Sarava - a race in which the Bob Baffert-trained War Emblem was going for the Triple Crown -- said The Truth or Else is70 percent to run.

"He's 2-for-3 over the track, he's out of. Colonial Affair mare, whether he's got the class or not ...." McPeek said. "We're leaning that way."

The Truth or Else won a maiden race over at Belmont last September and an allowance race going 1 1-16 miles here on May 22.

McPeek said Edgar Prado would ride The Truth or Else if he runs. Prado rode Sarava and Birdstone (2004) to victories in the Belmont Stakes.

FATPIANO 05-28-2015 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1028886)
GRENING: The Truth or Else likely for Belmont

THE TRUTH OR ELSE, a recent allowance winner at Belmont Park , is likely to join the Belmont Stakes field, trainer Ken McPeek said Thursday.

McPeek, who won the 2002 Belmont with longshot Sarava - a race in which the Bob Baffert-trained War Emblem was going for the Triple Crown -- said The Truth or Else is70 percent to run.

"He's 2-for-3 over the track, he's out of. Colonial Affair mare, whether he's got the class or not ...." McPeek said. "We're leaning that way."

The Truth or Else won a maiden race over at Belmont last September and an allowance race going 1 1-16 miles here on May 22.

McPeek said Edgar Prado would ride The Truth or Else if he runs. Prado rode Sarava and Birdstone (2004) to victories in the Belmont Stakes.
:)

10 pnt move up 05-28-2015 04:45 PM
I didnt realize Prado still rode. Good for him.

Alabama Stakes 05-28-2015 06:46 PM
Contender not pretender . First thing my brudda said after his race was they should run him right back in the Belmont

DonGuido 05-28-2015 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1028886)
GRENING: The Truth or Else likely for Belmont

THE TRUTH OR ELSE, a recent allowance winner at Belmont Park , is likely to join the Belmont Stakes field, trainer Ken McPeek said Thursday.

McPeek, who won the 2002 Belmont with longshot Sarava - a race in which the Bob Baffert-trained War Emblem was going for the Triple Crown -- said The Truth or Else is70 percent to run.

"He's 2-for-3 over the track, he's out of. Colonial Affair mare, whether he's got the class or not ...." McPeek said. "We're leaning that way."

The Truth or Else won a maiden race over at Belmont last September and an allowance race going 1 1-16 miles here on May 22.

McPeek said Edgar Prado would ride The Truth or Else if he runs. Prado rode Sarava and Birdstone (2004) to victories in the Belmont Stakes.
They're pulling them in off the street corners and back alleys. Perfect!

Indian Charlie 05-28-2015 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DonGuido (Post 1028955)
They're pulling them in off the street corners and back alleys. Perfect!
Maybe they think second in this race with a huge purse is wide open.


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