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hockey2315 05-22-2013 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 929233)
The Easy Goer, being run on Belmont Day, is now worth $150K, the same purse as the Pegasus.

I get why they're going to MTH--the Let's Go guys live right down the road and they're looking for a run over the track before the Haskell. Maybe when he gets beat in the latter they'll switch surfaces... or retire him.

freddymo 05-22-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 929225)
Todd is carefully planning Verrazano's campaign to avoid having to run in any NY races. The poor dear needs at least six or seven weeks between races. What's after the Haskell.....the prestigeous Indiana Derby?


prestigeous lol?

rpncaine 05-22-2013 10:55 AM

Yeah prestigeous like the NY Knicks! :-)

blackthroatedwind 05-22-2013 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 929238)
prestigeous lol?

You are the only reason I don't have the worst spelling on message boards. If I was home I would have been able to use a dictionary before posting. Believe it or not, I don't have one in my Belmont office.

Danzig 05-22-2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 929225)
Todd is carefully planning Verrazano's campaign to avoid having to run in any NY races. The poor dear needs at least six or seven weeks between races. What's after the Haskell.....the prestigeous Indiana Derby?

yeah, he 'likes the spacing'....what else is new? does anyone plan for less races per horse than todd pletcher?

alysheba4 05-22-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 929241)
You are the only reason I don't have the worst spelling on message boards. If I was home I would have been able to use a dictionary before posting. Believe it or not, I don't have one in my Belmont office.

I always thought you were one of the best spellers

10 pnt move up 05-22-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4 (Post 929260)
I always thought you were one of the best spellers

He is terrible

Dahoss 05-22-2013 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 929299)
He is terrible

OOOOOOOOOO

Sightseek 05-22-2013 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 929225)
Todd is carefully planning Verrazano's campaign to avoid having to run in any NY races. The poor dear needs at least six or seven weeks between races. What's after the Haskell.....the prestigeous Indiana Derby?

That sort of aggressive campaigning is going to require several months of recovery. Maybe BC Mile, but has the Stakes schedule for Gulfstream been released yet?

Kasept 05-22-2013 09:00 PM

Mylute a no for Belmont..

Kasept 05-23-2013 05:33 AM

6/8: BELMONT STAKES

Oxbow (Lukas/Stevens)
Will Take Charge (Lukas/Court)
Revolutionary (Pletcher/Castellano)
Overanalyze (Pletcher)
Palace Malice (Pletcher/Smith)
Giant Finish (Dutrow)
Unlimited Budget (Pletcher)
Freedom Child (Albertrani/Saez)
Always in a Tiz (Schettino/Cohen)
Golden Soul (Stewart/Albarado)
Incognito (McLaughlin)

Orb (McGaughey/Rosario)
Code West (Baffert/Napravnik)
Vyjack (R. Rodriguez)
Midnight Taboo (Pletcher)

Calzone Lord 05-23-2013 11:22 AM

Itsmyluckyday is not running in the Belmont...going to take on Verrazano in the Pegasus.

With the copycat nature of horse racing, just imagine if he had won the Kentucky Derby with the way he was trained.

Itsmyluckyday was given almost all of February off. He went into the Florida Derby off a layoff, and came into the Kentucky Derby with probably the most bizarre/conservative training pattern in the entire history of the Derby. However, before the Preakness, he worked 47 flat at Monmouth.

It kind of felt like trainer Eddie Pleasa Jr. didn't think this was a classic distance horse ... as he was clearly managing him like a horse who he wanted to have peaking going into the Preakness and Haskell (9f at his home track) instead of a horse being primed for the Derby.

Itsmyluckyday has run 3 triple digit Beyer figures in fast track dirt routes this year ... current division leader Orb has 0 triple digit figures on a fast track.

But, Orb leads 2-to-1 in the head-to-head match-ups ... although those two wins came when Orb was at the peak of his form cycle and Itsmyluckyday was coming back from a layoff and was kid gloved into those two races where Orb beat him.

richard burch 05-23-2013 02:10 PM

Revolutionary wins by 2 lengths.

blackthroatedwind 05-23-2013 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 929384)
Revolutionary wins by 2 lengths.

Pick again, please. He's already been sufficiently mushed.

Alabama Stakes 05-23-2013 05:40 PM

Belmont by double digits
 
refuses to take the bait (being on double secret probation and all)


Rev's colors will also adorn the canoe this year.

richard burch 05-24-2013 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 929391)
Pick again, please. He's already been sufficiently mushed.

if he is in the race, that's my pick.

Kasept 05-24-2013 04:26 PM

Always in a Tiz (Schettino) a Belmont entrant. David Cohen rides.

Calzone Lord 05-24-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 929500)
Always in a Tiz (Schettino) a Belmont entrant. David Cohen rides.

99/1.

Kasept 05-27-2013 09:24 AM

David Grening ‏@DRFGrening: Repole said: Overanalyze 100-percent, Unlimited Budget 75-percent, Midnight Taboo 60-percent for Belmont.. After a bit of a disappointing work, Micromanage has bee pulled from Belmont consideration, Mike Repole said. Easy Goer next.

Sightseek 05-27-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 929839)
David Grening ‏@DRFGrening: Repole said: Overanalyze 100-percent, Unlimited Budget 75-percent, Midnight Taboo 60-percent for Belmont.. After a bit of a disappointing work, Micromanage has bee pulled from Belmont consideration, Mike Repole said. Easy Goer next.

Works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn9kS...ature=youtu.be

Kasept 05-29-2013 11:26 AM

Vyjack now a possibility..

Baffert sounded unlikely with Code West on ATR today. Owner Gary West not that interested in running..

Calzone Lord 05-29-2013 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 930046)
Vyjack now a possibility..

Did they abolish the Woody Stephens or something?

Kasept 05-30-2013 09:37 AM

Incognito a go..

Merlinsky 05-31-2013 12:25 AM

Has anybody watched that round table (well, I guess 3 people constitutes a round table) on Bloodhorse about this year's Belmont? About halfway through I felt like I was watching Kentucky Derby pre-race commentary from 1995. Dosage? :confused:

Sightseek 05-31-2013 06:57 AM

Oxbow still bouncing about (works of Will Take Charge and Golden Soul available too):

http://www.belmontstakes.com/multime...px?VideoId=110


And an excellent blog entry from Andy:
http://www.belmontstakes.com/blog/an...g-the-mystery/

freddymo 05-31-2013 07:25 AM

Andy's writes so well and is so passionate about his sport its hard to ever find issue with his comments.

TouchOfGrey 05-31-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 930046)
Baffert sounded unlikely with Code West on ATR today. Owner Gary West not that interested in running..

Jay Privman tweet: No Belmont for Code West, says Baffert. He will not have any runners at Belmont Park for that day's card.

Calzone Lord 05-31-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 930237)
As both a purveyor and connoisseur of fine writing, I knew that that blog entry would hit you right between the eyes.

I believe it was Freddy who gave me an endorsement on Erich Maria Remarque the other day.

Rudeboyelvis 06-03-2013 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 930217)
6/8: BELMONT STAKES

1. Orb (McGaughey/Rosario)
2. Oxbow (Lukas/Stevens)
3. Will Take Charge (Lukas/Court)
4. Revolutionary (Pletcher/Castellano)
5. Overanalyze (Pletcher/Velazquez)
6. Palace Malice (Pletcher/Smith)
7. Giant Finish (Dutrow/Prado)
8. Unlimited Budget (Pletcher/Napravnik)
9. Freedom Child (Albertrani/Saez)
10. Always in a Tiz (Schettino/Cohen)
11. Golden Soul (Stewart/Albarado)
12. Incognito (McLaughlin/I. Ortiz)
13. Vyjack (R. Rodriguez/TBA)

14. Midnight Taboo (Pletcher/TBA)
15. Frac Daddy (McPeek/TBA)

McPeek just announced Frac Daddy confirmed - will ship Tuesday by air per Marty McGee tweet @DRFMcGee

Kasept 06-03-2013 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 930621)
Isn't 14 the full field size? Who gets bumped if these probables/possibles enter?

16 is capacity.

Kasept 06-03-2013 05:41 PM

Final jocks assigned now with Leparoux on Vyjack, Garcia on Frac Daddy and all three Repoles confirmed. 15 horse field appears set for Belmont draw Wednesday..

6/8: BELMONT STAKES

1. Orb (McGaughey/Rosario)
2. Oxbow (Lukas/Stevens)
3. Will Take Charge (Lukas/Court)
4. Revolutionary (Pletcher/Castellano)
5. Overanalyze (Pletcher/Velazquez)
6. Palace Malice (Pletcher/Smith)
7. Giant Finish (Dutrow/Prado)
8. Unlimited Budget (Pletcher/Napravnik)
9. Freedom Child (Albertrani/Saez)
10. Always in a Tiz (Schettino/Cohen)
11. Golden Soul (Stewart/Albarado)
12. Incognito (McLaughlin/I. Ortiz)
13. Vyjack (R. Rodriguez/Leparoux)
14. Midnight Taboo (Pletcher/G. Gomez)
15. Frac Daddy (McPeek/A. Garcia)

Sightseek 06-03-2013 06:16 PM

That has to be the biggest field in like forevah! There have been a few 12 horse fields.

Sightseek 06-03-2013 08:35 PM

Perky Freedom Child:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DCKh3xrxXk

Kasept 06-03-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 930630)
That has to be the biggest field in like forevah! There have been a few 12 horse fields.

1983. Caveat.

Sightseek 06-03-2013 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 930655)
1983. Caveat.

13 in that field, but a race I hadn't seen on video before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1immmAJSubw

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=5443,1948469

Some interesting stats in those newspaper clippings:
- It was the first time the Derby winner skipped the Belmont since 1970; and
- Largest field for the Belmont was 14 in 1875

Kasept 06-03-2013 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 930657)
13 in that field, but a race I hadn't seen on video before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1immmAJSubw

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=5443,1948469

Some interesting stats in those newspaper clippings:
- It was the first time the Derby winner skipped the Belmont since 1970; and
- Largest field for the Belmont was 14 in 1875

15 in '83. http://www.belmontstakes.com/UserFiles/file/1983.pdf

Sightseek 06-03-2013 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 930661)

You can never trust newspapers! :D

letswastemoney 06-04-2013 01:12 AM

I think I'm going to favor the early speed types, even with a large field.

Grabbing disease is everywhere. Even if it isn't, Oxbow is a tough horse and the pace will not be as fast as the Derby.

Alabama Stakes 06-04-2013 08:35 AM

Any love for Revolutionary yet going 12 furlongs ? Big fields = big payouts


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