They are taking show betting? With a horse who is 1-10 on the morning line?

Meet the 2010 Apple Blossom group that Zenyatta beat:













To be fair ... Zenyatta did have to carry 123lbs - and give a massive 3 to 6 pound weight break away to these fine runners.

Yes, she has nothing at all to prove as a dirt horse. After all - she's won on it twice. Once against Brownie Points .. and once against whats posted above.

And she's beaten several worse fields in California - than what she faced in the Apple Blossom .. but the difference is that no one doubts her ability as an all-time great American rubber horse.

DOug why are you wasting your time with this? Its one of your biggest bullshit, WORSE ARGUMENTS EVER. She traveled, why does it matter who she beat? It was a G1, a race with SOLID HISTORY, anyone ANYONE COULD HAVE SHOWN UP, and NO ON DID. Its really bothers me that you continue with this crap argument.

Joe, do you think she's the best female dirt horse of all-time?

No I said a few weeks ago, I thought horses like Banshee Breeze, Beautiful Pleasure and Azeri were as good, if not better. I really believe the Icon Project we saw last summer would have beat both of them at 10f, but in the question who is better Rachel or Z, I think its CLEARLY Z.

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Zenyatta would be lucky to beat Life At Ten or Unrivelled Belle on dirt.

Thats not true, and if your serious I have no respect for you anymore. Who knows if your ever serious though.

If Dance To My Tune had faced her at Presque Isle instead of Santa Anita .. she'd have beat Zenyatta.

Ok Doug... Keep posting your pps. Z's connections made it clear they were going to Oaklawn, whos fault is it NO ONE SHOWED UP FOR THAT GRADE 1 ON DIRT? My biggest question about Rachel last year has nothing to do with Z, because I know Z would have beat her... Its what happens if Rachel runs in the Travers or Personal Ensign? Im pretty sure she gets beat in either spot.

It's pretty funny how much more of a Zenyattard/Polytard you've become since cozying up with TFM.

Incestuous.

He looks very handsome.

WRONG.

Jess Jackson passed on a $5 million purse because he's not exactly a shrewd handicapper nor a good sportsman.


Probably gets beat in the Personal Ensign - probably wins the Travers.

There's a lot you can do with hypotheticals - what if Nashoba's Key doesn't die in a stall accident? All of her synthetic races were on par with Zenyatta's and she was also undefeated over it. What if Rags to Riches isn't pressed so hard and doesn't get hurt? She was born the same year as Zenyatta. What if Zenyatta isn't given all the time in the world to develop and debuts before the end of her 3yo season? What if the BC isn't at Santa Anita on rubber two years in a row? Goldikova and Conduit both went back to back. Bad Eastern turf horse Life Is Sweet won the Distaff. What if Zenyatta faced a decent in form dirt horse?

Doug I agree with everything your saying.... When you come with a serious argument its cool, my point was Z did show up at Oaklawn and I think Z is better then Rachel, but never did I say shes the best of all time.
Ateam just continues to respond with garbage, last night it was insults of my pics and now its **** about me and fatman, its funny, he clearly HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO SAY.

There's no point in arguing with you seriously because you change your freaking opinion every two seconds and contradict yourself constantly. I have more enlightening discussions with myself.

I never once said she was an all time great... Show me where I said it?
I never once said Rachel was better... Show me?
I think Icon Project would have beat both of them... I have been saying that since last year.
Where have I changed my opinion once? You CANT TAKE BEING WRONG, you always have to be right about everything.

I don't remember you going apeshit over Zenyatta beating those shopping carts at Oaklawn before, now she deserves a statue for shipping out of her backyard twice in three years?

Truthfully I'm sick to death of arguing about which '10 campaign has been less lame, and there's no argument about whose campaign was better last year. So what do you want me to say?

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