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RockHardTen1985 12-17-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 957497)
Tomorrow will be tough...at Minnesota. This will be their 8th back to back already this season, and their second on this current road trip in the last 5 days.

Yup. Minnesota is another OK team. Portland matches up well though. Aldridge and Love is a toss up, though I would prefer Love. Minnesota is 7-4 at home, but only 3-7 in the last 10 games. Could go either way.
Big matchup between Miami and Indiana tomorrow could mean nothing, Lebron might be out.

cmorioles 12-17-2013 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957499)
Yup. Minnesota is another OK team. Portland matches up well though. Aldridge and Love is a toss up, though I would prefer Love. Minnesota is 7-4 at home, but only 3-7 in the last 10 games. Could go either way.
Big matchup between Miami and Indiana tomorrow could mean nothing, Lebron might be out.

I'd take Alridge eight days a week. Love plays zero defense, even less than Harden. He certainly has his pluses, but Aldridge is the better overall player IMO.

RockHardTen1985 12-17-2013 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 957501)
I'd take Alridge eight days a week. Love plays zero defense, even less than Harden. He certainly has his pluses, but Aldridge is the better overall player IMO.

Ok. With the Durant George Im basing it on George being 2 years younger and taking huge steps forward. I still dont think its as lopsided as you do, but I guess I can concede that Durant is more polished right now.
As for Love and Aldridge, I think Love is better and its pretty clear. The numbers don’t lie….
Love is 25 and 14 w/ a plus 27 player efficiency rating. Aldridge is 23 and 11 w/ a sub 24 player efficiency rating. Aldridge is also 28, Love is 25….
Love also is 5 rebounds a game better then Aldridge for career stats…. Not even close there.
Aldridge is an admirable player, and is probably a top 10 player right now due to guys like Carmelo, Rondo and Rose dropping off from that top 10 level. So this is no knock on Aldridge I just prefer Love and I think the stats back that up.
Not to mention that Aldridge has a lot better parts around him. He is part of a 1 and 1a type thing with the PG. Love is it for Minnesota.

Cannon Shell 12-17-2013 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957504)
Ok. With the Durant George Im basing it on George being 2 years younger and taking huge steps forward. I still dont think its as lopsided as you do, but I guess I can concede that Durant is more polished right now.
As for Love and Aldridge, I think Love is better and its pretty clear. The numbers don’t lie….
Love is 25 and 14 w/ a plus 27 player efficiency rating. Aldridge is 23 and 11 w/ a sub 24 player efficiency rating. Aldridge is also 28, Love is 25….
Love also is 5 rebounds a game better then Aldridge for career stats…. Not even close there.
Aldridge is an admirable player, and is probably a top 10 player right now due to guys like Carmelo, Rondo and Rose dropping off from that top 10 level. So this is no knock on Aldridge I just prefer Love and I think the stats back that up.
Not to mention that Aldridge has a lot better parts around him. He is part of a 1 and 1a type thing with the PG. Love is it for Minnesota.

Carmelo is averaging 26 points and 9 rebounds a game. How has he dropped?


And stop with this 1 and 1A, First take BS please? Lets leave inane theories and meritless innuendo to threads about lasix

Cannon Shell 12-17-2013 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957504)
Ok. With the Durant George Im basing it on George being 2 years younger and taking huge steps forward. I still dont think its as lopsided as you do, but I guess I can concede that Durant is more polished right now.
As for Love and Aldridge, I think Love is better and its pretty clear. The numbers don’t lie….
Love is 25 and 14 w/ a plus 27 player efficiency rating. Aldridge is 23 and 11 w/ a sub 24 player efficiency rating. Aldridge is also 28, Love is 25….
Love also is 5 rebounds a game better then Aldridge for career stats…. Not even close there.
Aldridge is an admirable player, and is probably a top 10 player right now due to guys like Carmelo, Rondo and Rose dropping off from that top 10 level. So this is no knock on Aldridge I just prefer Love and I think the stats back that up.
Not to mention that Aldridge has a lot better parts around him. He is part of a 1 and 1a type thing with the PG. Love is it for Minnesota.

And yes George has really improved to the point where he is a top 10 player but Durant is a Hall of fame, all time great level player. George has been really good for 1/3rd of a season.

RockHardTen1985 12-17-2013 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 957511)
And yes George has really improved to the point where he is a top 10 player but Durant is a Hall of fame, all time great level player. George has been really good for 1/3rd of a season.

What about ALdridge vs Love???
Ill give my top 10 NBA players shortly. And Im talking right now tonight.

RockHardTen1985 12-17-2013 11:21 PM

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. George
4. Harden
5. Love
6. Curry
7. Aldridge
8. Cousins
9. Westbrook
10. Howard

RockHardTen1985 12-17-2013 11:30 PM

[quote=RockHardTen1985;957514]1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. George
4. Harden
5. Love
6. Curry
7. Aldridge
8. Cousins
9. Westbrook
10. Howard

The NBA is so deep right now. You could slide Chris Paul anywhere from 5-10 and I would not really argue it.

cmorioles 12-18-2013 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957514)
1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. George
4. Harden
5. Love
6. Curry
7. Aldridge
8. Cousins
9. Westbrook
10. Howard

Every GM in the league would take Westbrook over Cousins, and most would take Westbrook over Harden too. You have Harden too high for sure.

I hear you on Love and the stats. I just have trouble with guys like that can't play a lick of defense. Harden fits there too.

Cannon Shell 12-18-2013 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957512)
What about ALdridge vs Love???
Ill give my top 10 NBA players shortly. And Im talking right now tonight.

Different style guys that play the same position and both are great. Love probably gets the slight advantage because he is a prolific 3 pt shooter and is easily the best stretch 4 in the game. His defensive rebound to outlet passes are about as good as anyone I can remember. However Aldrich can play both 4 and 5 equally as well and is a better defender. Pretty close to a toss up

Cannon Shell 12-18-2013 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957514)
1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. George
4. Harden
5. Love
6. Curry
7. Aldridge
8. Cousins
9. Westbrook
10. Howard

Rankings are pointless

RockHardTen1985 12-18-2013 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 957530)
Every GM in the league would take Westbrook over Cousins, and most would take Westbrook over Harden too. You have Harden too high for sure.

I hear you on Love and the stats. I just have trouble with guys like that can't play a lick of defense. Harden fits there too.

CJ I love Westbrook. He is a top 5 guy. But Im saying right now. And right now he is still getting back in the flow of things and shoting around 40%.....
I love Westbrook as much as Big Game James. Plus Westbrook has proved me way wrong because I thought he was a bum coming out of UCLA. I love the athletic combo guards.
If I had to name my personal top 5.

Lebron
George
Harden
Westbrook
Love

cmorioles 12-18-2013 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957586)
CJ I love Westbrook. He is a top 5 guy. But Im saying right now. And right now he is still getting back in the flow of things and shoting around 40%.....
I love Westbrook as much as Big Game James. Plus Westbrook has proved me way wrong because I thought he was a bum coming out of UCLA. I love the athletic combo guards.
If I had to name my personal top 5.

Lebron
George
Harden
Westbrook
Love

You haven't watched Westbrook lately...he has a near triple double every night the last two weeks. He'll ever be a great shooter, but he does everything else.

RockHardTen1985 12-18-2013 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 957587)
You haven't watched Westbrook lately...he has a near triple double every night the last two weeks. He'll ever be a great shooter, but he does everything else.

Serious question....
If the finals is Miami vs OKC what will be different from a few years ago?
I mean even Beasley is producing now and rumor is Oden is healthy, but Riley insists on saving him for the playoff run. Clearly thats smart.

cmorioles 12-18-2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957588)
Serious question....
If the finals is Miami vs OKC what will be different from a few years ago?
I mean even Beasley is producing now and rumor is Oden is healthy, but Riley insists on saving him for the playoff run. Clearly thats smart.

I'll believe Oden when I see it.

I don't know if the Thunder can beat Miami, but they are clearly a better team now than two years ago. Remember, Harden pulled a vanishing act.

The defense is great, the bench is better, and the Big 3 are all clearly better players than they were two years ago. The Heat were also insanely hot from 3 that series. Battier, Miller and Chalmers were making everything. Other than the last game, they were all close.

Also, Dwayne Wade just isn't the same guy he was then. Some nights he is, but we'll see come playoff time what he can deliver. Like I said, I don't know if the Thunder would win, but I think they would give Miami all they wanted. The Thunder are better than the Spurs and were last year too, the Spurs were just some bad coaching decisions from beating the Heat.

RockHardTen1985 12-18-2013 04:43 PM

5 on 5 boys loving Houston....
I like the 5 on 5. Fun reads. Opinions?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...n-doubleheader

RockHardTen1985 12-18-2013 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 957591)
I'll believe Oden when I see it.

I don't know if the Thunder can beat Miami, but they are clearly a better team now than two years ago. Remember, Harden pulled a vanishing act.

The defense is great, the bench is better, and the Big 3 are all clearly better players than they were two years ago. The Heat were also insanely hot from 3 that series. Battier, Miller and Chalmers were making everything. Other than the last game, they were all close.

Also, Dwayne Wade just isn't the same guy he was then. Some nights he is, but we'll see come playoff time what he can deliver. Like I said, I don't know if the Thunder would win, but I think they would give Miami all they wanted. The Thunder are better than the Spurs and were last year too, the Spurs were just some bad coaching decisions from beating the Heat.

D. Wade confuses me. There was talk last year about him going overseas and having the same procedure Kobe had. It just seems like instead of focusing on ball he is modeling and doing everything else. All that said he is still probably the 3rd best 2 guard of all time and a true warrior. But imagine if he was healthy the last few years, and the next few years?

Duvalier 12-18-2013 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957595)
5 on 5 boys loving Houston....
I like the 5 on 5. Fun reads. Opinions?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...n-doubleheader

**** Houston. I could never root for that whiney bitch Howard.

cmorioles 12-18-2013 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957596)
D. Wade confuses me. There was talk last year about him going overseas and having the same procedure Kobe had. It just seems like instead of focusing on ball he is modeling and doing everything else. All that said he is still probably the 3rd best 2 guard of all time and a true warrior. But imagine if he was healthy the last few years, and the next few years?

3rd best two guard? I'd have to think about that, but it seems like a stretch to me.

I can imagine a lot of things, but he wasn't healthy, isn't healthy, and most likely won't be healthy going forward.

RockHardTen1985 12-18-2013 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 957601)
3rd best two guard? I'd have to think about that, but it seems like a stretch to me.

I can imagine a lot of things, but he wasn't healthy, isn't healthy, and most likely won't be healthy going forward.

COme on...

MJ, Kobe and him.
I mean if he rides Lebron to 1 or 2 more you can argue he is better then Kobe. In his prime I believe he was at least as good as Kobe.
D. Wades career stats are awfully impressive. He is 25-6-5. And he pretty much won an NBA championship by himself.

cmorioles 12-18-2013 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957602)
COme on...

MJ, Kobe and him.
I mean if he rides Lebron to 1 or 2 more you can argue he is better then Kobe. In his prime I believe he was at least as good as Kobe.
D. Wades career stats are awfully impressive. He is 25-6-5. And he pretty much won an NBA championship by himself.

How does riding somebody else help? That is just silly.

I did a quick search and the first list I saw had him 6th, behind guys like Gervin, Drexler, and Jerry West.

RockHardTen1985 12-18-2013 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 957603)
How does riding somebody else help? That is just silly.

I did a quick search and the first list I saw had him 6th, behind guys like Gervin, Drexler, and Jerry West.

Fair, but Kobe rode Shaq to at least 2. Plus Wade has been clearly the second best player on Miami in the 2 Finals. Its not like Ray Allen who is still very productive, but clearly not a top tier guy still, and he is riding D. Wade and Lebron to more rings. Making the resume look stronger.

Duvalier 12-18-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957499)
Yup. Minnesota is another OK team. Portland matches up well though. Aldridge and Love is a toss up, though I would prefer Love. Minnesota is 7-4 at home, but only 3-7 in the last 10 games. Could go either way.
Big matchup between Miami and Indiana tomorrow could mean nothing, Lebron might be out.

They look tired tonight...getting destroyed and back-doored to death. Your boy Kevin Love will have a triple double by halftime at this rate.

When Alexey Schved is dunking on you...you know you're in trouble.

RockHardTen1985 12-18-2013 07:50 PM

Miami getting smacked around at home right now.

RockHardTen1985 12-18-2013 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 957621)
They look tired tonight...getting destroyed and back-doored to death. Your boy Kevin Love will have a triple double by halftime at this rate.

When Alexey Schved is dunking on you...you know you're in trouble.

The league is super competitive. You cant get it up everynight. No shame in whats happening right now.
Miami on the other hand, hopefully they make a run.

RockHardTen1985 12-18-2013 08:08 PM

Lebron and D. Wade a combined 18/29. No other player on the roster giving them anything at all tonight. Miami made a push, should be fun 4th quarter.

RockHardTen1985 12-18-2013 08:38 PM

Chris Bosh is such a soft, moist marshmallow man cupcake man. Its unreal that they win despite him being a max, third option guy.

RockHardTen1985 12-18-2013 08:43 PM

[quote=Duvalier;957621]They look tired tonight...getting destroyed and back-doored to death. Your boy Kevin Love will have a triple double by halftime at this rate.

When Alexey Schved is dunking on you...you know you're in trouble.[/QUO

Portland making moves.

Duvalier 12-18-2013 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957629)
Portland making moves.

Won't have enough in the tank to come back from 30 some down, but they did make a run to start the second half to make it interesting for a little while when they cut it to 10. And I agree with you on Bosh...he is soft.

Cannon Shell 12-18-2013 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957602)
COme on...

MJ, Kobe and him.
I mean if he rides Lebron to 1 or 2 more you can argue he is better then Kobe. In his prime I believe he was at least as good as Kobe.
D. Wades career stats are awfully impressive. He is 25-6-5. And he pretty much won an NBA championship by himself.

Jerry West 27-6-6 without a three point line. All defensive team numerous times.

Miami winning more titles doesnt make Wade "better", just fortunate that James decided to take his talents to South beach.

Cannon Shell 12-18-2013 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957604)
Fair, but Kobe rode Shaq to at least 2. Plus Wade has been clearly the second best player on Miami in the 2 Finals. Its not like Ray Allen who is still very productive, but clearly not a top tier guy still, and he is riding D. Wade and Lebron to more rings. Making the resume look stronger.

Titles don't matter for individual accomplishment. If that was the case the all time great list would be all Celtics from the 60's.

Duvalier 12-18-2013 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 957634)
Titles don't matter for individual accomplishment. If that was the case the all time great list would be all Celtics from the 60's.

And Robert Horry

RockHardTen1985 12-18-2013 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 957634)
Titles don't matter for individual accomplishment. If that was the case the all time great list would be all Celtics from the 60's.

Ok, but were not talking about Wade being 17-3-3. He is 25-6-5 for his career.
In their prime who is better Wade or Kobe? IMO they are the same guy, and I would prefer Wade. Wade was better IMO.

Cannon Shell 12-18-2013 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957627)
Chris Bosh is such a soft, moist marshmallow man cupcake man. Its unreal that they win despite him being a max, third option guy.

Name 3 better 3rd options

Cannon Shell 12-18-2013 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957636)
Ok, but were not talking about Wade being 17-3-3. He is 25-6-5 for his career.
In their prime who is better Wade or Kobe? IMO they are the same guy, and I would prefer Wade. Wade was better IMO.

Jerry West

RockHardTen1985 12-18-2013 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 957634)
Titles don't matter for individual accomplishment. If that was the case the all time great list would be all Celtics from the 60's.

OK so also Lebron is the best player of all time. Period then, right??
He certainly passes the eye test, the stat test and the award test.
I mean I think he is anyway, but people still say Kobe and Jordan. I think comparing Kobe is a joke. Jordan closer, but Lebron better

Cannon Shell 12-18-2013 09:52 PM

The Knicks have outdone themselves tonight.

Up 2 with the ball 33 seconds in game, 19 on shot clock. Anthony misses with about 15 seconds to go, Chandler gets the rebound and tosses back to Bargaini at the 3 pt line. All he has to do is hold the ball and Milwaukee has to foul. He launches a 3 pointer that misses badly. Milwaukee gets the rebound, sets up a play and ties it up on a rebound. Now going into 2nd OT.

Clyde frazier about had a stroke when he shot the ball

Cannon Shell 12-18-2013 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 957639)
OK so also Lebron is the best player of all time. Period then, right??
He certainly passes the eye test, the stat test and the award test.
I mean I think he is anyway, but people still say Kobe and Jordan. I think comparing Kobe is a joke. Jordan closer, but Lebron better

There was a guy who once averaged 50 points and 25 rebounds a game one season.

RockHardTen1985 12-18-2013 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 957637)
Name 3 better 3rd options

Love, Aldridge, West, Ibaka, anyway who plays D and rebounds Chuck. They dont need scoring from him.
Varajo and Asik even guys like that.

Duvalier 12-18-2013 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 957640)
The Knicks have outdone themselves tonight.

Up 2 with the ball 33 seconds in game, 19 on shot clock. Anthony misses with about 15 seconds to go, Chandler gets the rebound and tosses back to Bargaini at the 3 pt line. All he has to do is hold the ball and Milwaukee has to foul. He launches a 3 pointer that misses badly. Milwaukee gets the rebound, sets up a play and ties it up on a rebound. Now going into 2nd OT.

Clyde frazier about had a stroke when he shot the ball

Comedy or tragedy...it's a tough call.


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