LOL @ someone who'd rather talk about supposed gaffes than issues saying all I have is topic changing.

That's all your crew does is change topics, somehow getting the American people to care about stupid **** like comments about pigs instead of the issues.

Yeah..no way he would be stupid enough to do this..it may energize the Palin haters - but he is going to get their votes anyway....and a comment like this is not going to sway the middle of the roaders.

He'll recover from this - but a gaff like this 1 week before Election Day would be a death-blow.

karl Rove is going to go down some day as the greatest spin doctor of all time. The fact that he could sell Bush as some sort of military leader against a guy who actually served in combat is amazing. Now, they are actually selling McCain as some sort of "agent of change" LOL. Amazing.

And this forum is proof that there are people out there that actually bite on it.

Rove's confidence in the average man's supidity is justified i would say.

and now for something comepletly different
 

Boy, this is from deep left field...or would that be right field:

http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html

Also, Palin's biggest problem is she sounds earily like someone from Saturday Night Live. I keep thinking I'm hearing a skit about politics.

worked with clinton vs dole.

who is that guy?! and yeah, how DARE obamas people try to make mccain and his running mate look bad. what kind of argument is that? and then, he says obama shouldn't go after the pregnancy issue, but then bashes obamas mother?! i would define that as hypocrisy.

Thats news. Did they sell Clinton as a military leader and discredit Dole's service?

Furthermore you are acting as if that was some kind of polarizng argument. Was that even a contest? Clinton crushed him.

clinton was mentioned as having commander in chief experience since he was head of the arkansas national guard. and dole was a military hero. it's a similar situation, as was clinton being accused of being too young, not having enough foreign policy experience, etc. the parallels are there. and clinton for the most part did just fine, so i'd say that the lack of military experience itself is not a really good argument as to whether you could be a good president or not. certainly didn't make grant a good president.

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i'm not acting as if it was anything, i'm just saying in every contest you have each side pointing the same fingers, using the same arguments, as in the past. clinton had no military experience, and dole did. then you had bush with only national guard experience, and kerry who served in vietnam.

Im sorry i think you misunderstood the point.

Rove's tactics attempted to discredit the bravery and patriotism of a guy that had served in combat and prop up Bush as some sort of defender of the country even though he dodged the draft.

How did that have anything to do with Clinton's tactics vs. Dole? I fail to see the connection.

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Clinton left it off of the table though. Rove tactics brings it to the front and turns it.

Bring out the dates with White Women. That's gunna be what they use if they starting getting behind, and need a miracle.

The only people that are gunna "bite on it" are people who already like or dislike the parties involved. Nobody that's "undecided" is gunna give a damn about this folksy metaphor. It's annoying to them(that people try to pick words apart etc.,) but, in the end, it doesn't make any difference. It only makes a difference to those looking to sway the undecided. Like ARLJIM. He seemed to feel good about it, but I don't think the undecided care about this stuff. They might care about the fact somebody has phoney outrage etc., but I doubt that, too. Now, if they bring out dates with white women, then that may work.

Obama's response was beautiful:

It's late in the process. They are starting to really pick at each other now. Just be glad that EX-SENATOR GEORGE guy isn't involved. That guy did some weird stuff in the 70's. I can't believe somebody knew he did that stuff, and waited that many years to cough it up.

He can be good. I think this guy can communicate very well when he is really interested enough in doing so. I just think he gets lazy with his communication.

There goes Obama barking orders to the media. A true leader. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

operative word

Definitely not a leader like Bob Barr. Maybe he can campaign against Roe V wade and then pay for his wife to have an abortion.

LOL..Mel Brooks is crazy huh? Remember that movie where that Kahn lady(or whoever it was) was glancing down at "members" saying " yes, yes, no, yes, yes, YEESSSS!!

LOL...:tro: :tro: :tro:

how did the good ole boys get Obama to use a dumb punchline that referenced a pig with lipstick and and old rotting fish when talking about what he claims are the stale policies of his opponents Palin and McCain? why would a presidential candidate use a line like that? even if you buy into the fact that it was an innocent oversight and no double entendre was to be inferred (which I don't buy for a minute because they are certainly not that stupid), isn't there a better way to make your point and not have that point totally lost in the clamor over the remark?

secondly, do you think for one minute that the first time Palin makes a mistake or gaffe, innocent or not, that it won't be pounced on within minutes by team Obama, in an effort to score points? if you don't then I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you.

This was not a mistake, or "innocent oversight." He actually was communicating perfectly here. That's what he thinks about McCain's Economic plan. He thinks it's a slightly enhanced version of the last 8 years(Pig with Lipstick.)

I have nothing else that funny. I did change gardeners recently to a Black dude, and he said to make the check out to "MOWTOWN." That's no lie. I spelled it front of him, and he said "that's right."

You can put lipstick on a dog's a$$hole - but it's still an ArlJim political post.

You can wrap a dead buzzard in paper - but it still stinks like an ArlJim political post that was submitted by Balletto's taint.

yeah I get that, but if he was smart he wouldn't have used the line in the current context because Palin has been using the lipstick on a pitbull line on a daily basis for over a week and it invited an immediate comparison. you don't win elections by making so many unforced errors.

actually he is now using cartoon writers for his material. he stole the previous line, the one before his lipstick on a pig line, from a cartoon.

http://wizbangblog.com/

Hey I'm with you on the conservative side... but what Obama said was not a big deal.. he took it from McCain actually, who has used the phrase twice while relating it to Liberal Policies.

Also.. the whole "my muslim faith" comment was taken greatly out of context if you read the transcript.. I could see how he said it accidently. The dude is a Christian.. and his wacky church and Palins wacky church should cross each other out!

But hey.. if it helps McCain win the election then Take it out of Context!!

do you write for the Obama team? if not I'd give them a call. you've got some real talent there.

Can't make that stuff up..that is classic....a marketing genius for sure.

My guy is Mexican..his name is Jesus...you don't think??? :eek: Naaa couldn't be :D

it wasn't a big deal, it will only cost Obama about 48 hours in the news cycle. if thats no big deal to him fine. what people don't seem to understand is that it doesn't matter how it was intended, it was simply poor judgement to have said it and shows that he and his team are incompetent.

hey I would like for Obama to stick his foot in his mouth every week if it helps McCain... I was just saying that what he said wasnt a big deal and sounds different if you just hear those few words, compared to his whole speech.

the theme of the rest of his speech was lifted from a Tom Toles cartoon.
i posted it previously.

they better get him back on the teleprompter real quick.

Incompetent nothing. They ran a great primary campaign, and are doing the right thing by calling the Republicans out on their fabricate controversy by any means to distract from the issues tactics. Al Gore and John Kerry's respective campaigns tried to take the high road by not responding to the Republicans filthy tactics.. Didn't work, now the Obama camp is saying 'Stop this bullshit right now'.. Will it stop? I doubt it, since McCain/Palin have absolutely no platform to run on, but it's good to point out **** so people don't step in it.