Derby Trail Forums - Sheikh Mo and Bernardini

Page 8 of 8

« First

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Derby Trail Forums (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/index.php)

- The Paddock (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2)

- - Sheikh Mo and Bernardini (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5622)

Dunbar

10-14-2006 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PostCritic

A.P. Indy Retires At the Age of 3

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...51C1A964958260

I just wonder, did anyone complain as much when AP Indy retired?

Yep, I was ticked at that. I've also never been a fan of Hanc-ock (had to hyphenate, or it wouldn't print the second syllable!) since he retired Forty-Niner as a 3-yr-old. You can imagine how heart-broken I was that Forty-Niner was no factor in his last race, the BC Classic. (he took a bad step, according to Julie Krone, but his retirement had already been announced.) But at least Forty-Niner ran 19 times in his career, 13 times as a 3-yr-old. That looks pretty good in comparison to the horses being whisked off today.

--Dunbar

Bold Brooklynite

10-14-2006 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Ack Ack is one that I think did fine, CDR and the sire of my all time favorite horse/stallion Broad Brush...there are those who call Secretariat a "failure" at stud because the expectations were that he would reproduce himself (well...duh!), with Star and the Iron Lady to his credit, a huge influence on the mare side and solid CDR credentials, I think he was successful...it's how does one define "success"?

You're correct about Ack Ack ... his line still exists ... and ...

... you'll note that Secretariat was not on the list as a failure ... though he was a disappointment ... and his male line is totally dead.

Downthestretch55

10-14-2006 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

wow - shows how well you take criticism. I happen to think Pedigree Ann adds a lot to the content of this board, and just because she proved you wrong with a few of those horses that you listed is no reason to call names.

Is there a question as to why I no longer respond to this trolls posts?
All he/she brings to this board are insults and arrogance.
There are two others that I don't respond to also.
Waste of time.
Calling names of winners is a whole lot different than calling names at posters.
Frankly, I've had enough of them.
They just spread their manure all over this board.

Downthestretch55

10-14-2006 11:42 AM

See what I mean about names and insults?
Where's a race pick in a current race?
Pathetic!

Cannon Shell

10-14-2006 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Yes, Darley owns all the mares he will breed with and stallions fees going up only helps Darley. There are no pinhookers in the business and there the people like Fasig Tipton do their job for free. Sales prices going up help nobody but Darley. If Bernardini gets $300K do you think AP Indy is going to not go up?

I'm sure if you own a mare that you'll want to pay MORE for the stud fee!!! Paying more makes it HARDER to pinhook, who gives a damn what the people at Fasig Tipton do, and sale prices going up hurts the racing industry.
I'm sure that AP Indy wont go up no matter what Bernardini does or gets.

Antitrust32

10-14-2006 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I agree. everyone is allowed to have their own opinion. Its fun to dispute opinions, but when names are being called then you dont want to stay around to dispute more opinions... it ruins the threads.

ArlJim78

11-27-2006 01:08 PM

Let's reminisce!

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgewashington

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

GW on Bernardini. I guess he talked to the wrong insiders for this information
:D

ArlJim78

11-27-2006 01:23 PM

More humor!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgewashington

This track record will. He will be "better than Secretariat". There are a lot of people in this business that really don't care if the fee is even $100K higher. If they want to breed to the horse they will. This one is like AP Indy. A can't miss.

A charter member of the Bernardinians.
Track record, Better than Secretariat, A can't miss?

Does Rex Reed right your material?

blackthroatedwind

11-27-2006 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

A charter member of the Bernardinians.
Track record, Better than Secretariat, A can't miss?

Does Rex Reed right your material?

Thank you for providing links!

Bernardini

11-27-2006 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

Blahhh is right.

I am tired of these bastards that have been raiding our yearling sales since the early 80s. They are a bunch of hypocrits who behave under the disguise of being sportsmen, when their only interest is their own glory and dominance of the sport.

but ist that true for most big players ??? Why single out SHK MO ??

Cannon Shell

11-27-2006 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernardini

but ist that true for most big players ???

Like who???

Linny

11-27-2006 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Like who???

Coolmore...

Cannon Shell

11-27-2006 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny

Coolmore...

Coolmore is about making money by marketing stallions not racing dominance

Dunbar

11-28-2006 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

GW on Bernardini. I guess he talked to the wrong insiders for this information
:D

Thanks, Jim. I'll bump up GW's thoughtful analysis because I love it when people are SO sure of something:

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgewashington

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

No room for any doubt there, I guess.

--Dunbar

ArlJim78

11-28-2006 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Thanks, Jim. I'll bump up GW's thoughtful analysis because I love it when people are SO sure of something:

No room for any doubt there, I guess.

--Dunbar

Thanks, that type of analysis is deserving of a bump. The kool-aid was really flowing when he penned that missive.

I just hope he is not scheduled for any more guest lectures on copywrite law.

oracle80

11-28-2006 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Thanks, that type of analysis is deserving of a bump. The kool-aid was really flowing when he penned that missive.

I just hope he is not scheduled for any more guest lectures on copywrite law.

I imagine he will be back shortly. He doesn't strike me as the kind to just go away, he hasn't yet.

Linny

11-28-2006 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernardini

but ist that true for most big players ??? Why single out SHK MO ??

Every one of the major owner/breeders knows that breeding is where the money is. The racing (for all of them) is merely a means of establishing the breeding value of a horse.

This is true of everyone from Sheikh Mohammed to the Coolmore gang to Mr. Farish to Fusao Sekiguchi to Shadai Farm.

Sadly the modern racing fan needs to deal with the fact that the only reason for the racing career is to establish breeding value and once that value is maximized, the horse will leave the racing realm.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:13 AM.

Page 8 of 8

« First

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page