Are stupid opinions like this Hoss good enough reason to feel the hatred and fire back? I wish Ohio st wasn't banned from a bowl game, ND would roll on them.

Me thinks your wrong again. You needed a more clever wager for us. $100 donation because you feel I did not make the last one is weak.

Dude is a lock. A lot of old school voters are not voting Johnny football just because he is a freshman. I actually think Braxton Miller will finish second.

you are calling anyone here who says anything at all critical about nd as being blinded by hatred. not exactly coming across as being rational in this discussion.
you continued to move forward because of the misfortune of others, not because dame showed they were better than the others.


constant bashing? but it's neither constant, nor bashing. like i said, critique isn't 'bashing'. as for the bolded, riotesque.


what makes his opinion 'stupid' and yours not? because it differs from yours?
feel hatred? really? hatred. wow

at any rate, good luck in january.

:tro:

yeah, i know full well he intimated it was me, based on the context of that particular discussion.

ftfy

Having an opinion different than yours isn't hatred. This is like the Zenyatta nonsense all over again.

Look, I love Da Hoss the horse and think he was special. But I'm not going around calling people haters that don't agree with how good I thought he was.

I don't agree with King's opinion, but I don't think it's THAT crazy. Is it really that stupid to think all of those teams could beat Notre Dame in one game?

Who cares what Rick Reilly says? He's a hack.

Not as weak as not making the donation like you were supposed to.

But you'll have to excuse me if I'm having a hard time coming up with things. Since you've posted here, I won a bet from you where I won $200 and never saw a dime of it. I beat you head to head in a handicapping contest and you were supposed to be banned for good and you came back whining a couple of months later. Most recently I won another bet with you, where you were supposed to not post until next year and we can all see how well that turned out.

I could make the terms whatever and you wouldn't follow them, because that's the kind of guy you are, so why waste my time? At least with this, someone will verify you pay off and if not, it's clear you should be gone.

I will hand you the 200$ anytime. Its out there for everyone to see since I'm so bad and such a liar. Anywhere within 50 miles of the flat track.

What year did you graduate from ND?

He went to Michigan State

This again lol I'm a subway alumni

So this guy sees a problem with Kelly pushing his guy for heisman? This team is not 12-0 without HEISMANTI!!

Please stop this. If you want people to believe you and respect you, live up to your word. Don't post till 1/1/13 and make your first post a copy of the reciept for the donation to charity that you made for losing the bet.

If not don't be shocked when people look at you like you are a habitual liar. In this life you are only as good as your word and to this point, at least on this board, you have not lived up to it.

yeah, this is why he 'strongly dislikes me'. because i called him out on his lying, more than once. so he gets all defensive rather than actually use a little introspection.

and from what ic posted, if he won't pay child support, why would he make good on bets? if he isn't worried about his kids, why would he worry about strangers?

when they were discussing matthieu last year (glad he didn't get it, knowing all that's happened since) they said only one defensive player ever had gotten the heisman. and probably with good reason.
manziel has had a terrific season, but probably won't get some votes because he's a freshman (i think that is absurd, if he was the best player, why does it matter what year he's in?) so there has been and always will be people who won't for certain players for certain reasons. and one of those reason will always be position played. after all, linemen never get a nod. ray guy still isn't in the hall. plenty of examples of people who weren't considered the best player because of their position, or which side of the ball they play on. not saying it's right, it's just how it is.

Manziel got arrested in July in an incident in which racial slurs were used by his buddy, doesn't seem like a guy heisman worthy.

I know you love ND but this is just silly. Why should he be responsible for something his buddy said in anger? Gino Toretta won the Heisman Trophy, the trophy has been a joke since.

ok, ndfan. do you feel you should be held responsible for the actions of a buddy?
hell, cam newton was a thief, didn't keep him from winning. but a guy who was with a guy who said some things, that should keep manziel from winning? :rolleyes:

No but he was arrested for getting in a fight with the guy the racial slurs were directed at, he's not innocent in all this.

you're reaching.

''He was charged with misdemeanors including disorderly conduct, failure to identify and possessing false I.D.'' egads, why is he not in jail????? throw the book at him. :rolleyes:

If it was NDs qb tommy Rees goon for heisman if say absolutely not after he was arrested before the season. This award is a privilege, you should be held to a higher standard to win the award although I know that hasn't always been the case. Try finding dirt on manti teo, you'll be looking a long time and come up empty.

I'm not saying throw him in jail, but the heisman is suppose to be about on the field and off the field, someone who represents way a college athlete is. Look up the whole spew on what the heisman recognizes.

after seeing newton get the award, there is no way anyone can say a thing about manziel in that regard, regardless of heisman spiels.

btw, i am not advocating for 'johnny football' at all in regards to whether he is most deserving this year. i am saying, however, that his off the field antics don't rise to the level of ineligibility.

Autocorrect from my phone screws up all my post, so sorry for some of the tough reads haha

exactly.

Strength of Schedule isnt something to go against ND with considering Bama had one of the softest SEC schedules ever.

Per Bovada, Notre Dame would be underdog to five SEC teams
 

Here are the lines issued by Bovada.lv for each of the top-10 SEC teams, with the assumed "vs. Notre Dame on a neutral field" after each:

Alabama -9.5

Georgia -3

Florida -1.5

LSU -3

Texas A&M -3.5


http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...to-5-sec-teams

Alabama
LSU
Florida
Oregon
Stanford
Texas AM
Georgia

I dont think Ohio State is that good. South Carolina has never won a big game in its history. FSU is a questionable IMO

when i was discussing sos, i was thinking along the lines of other teams in the top ten, who played tougher.
not sure why a critique of notre dame is automatically considered a point gained for 'bama.

Probably because you were bitching that nd had a schedule that fell apart and ended up being easy to navigate through, yet u never brought up Bama or Georgia and their schedules or bitched about them not deserving a shot at the national championship.

So now its all bitching. Call me crazy, but i bet if i had an outie and not an innie, you wouldn't put it that way.

You might want to re-read the entire thread for context. And yes, after the fact you know for sure what is what. Its why ala and ga ended up with an easier schedule than lsu and fla for instance.
And i said all along that nd had a fairly easy schedule, you are the one who said all along that it was not.
Do i feel it is correct for bama and ga being 2 nd 3? Yes. And while you peruse the results from the 3 top teams, why don't you take note of margins of victory for those schedules? I have not said ga and bama had it harder than nd...but like i said before bama certainly toyed with their easy rivals, while dame was all out to win by a nostril fairly often.

My list... In order.


1. Notre Dame
2. Alabama
3. Stanford
4. Ohio St
5. Florida
6. Texas AM
7. Georgia
8. Oregon

Why do you pretend to know so much about everything? Then make fake lists and your reassons are... They suck and 1 line BS.

Irish fans should thank me for this season - I think me and my friend were like the only true Irish people at the Aviva stadium when this great season started. They should start every year here :)

I don't care whether you have an outtie, innie, or both honestly. I would have said bitching regardless. I like to debate and argue with you for fun, I have no problem on here with you though.

no worries.

like i said, best of luck in the big game. all the discussion aside, they did what they had to do to get there, and deserve to be in.