i agree with that. mccain seems more center of the road, while obama is far left, too far to the left for me. but i'm seriously looking at him now, altho i suppose one could always vote for JM and hope like hell he lives four years-no guarantee of course, and i certainly am not wishing the guy ill....unlike certain folks regarding tom brady...at any rate, i don't like palin AT ALL. she's too far to the right.

Why is that? You so sure I was gonnna vote McCain/Palin?

speaking of scary, if anyone is interested in knowing what it really means to be a community organizer in Chicago.


http://www.spectator.co.uk/melanieph...lieve-in.thtml

You can't honestly believe a word of this ridiculousness.

open your eyes. his connection to the radical left are not even debatable. he was groomed in that environment.

haha, no pictures of Reagan. but he was a great president.

for the social issues, I'm sure you're referring to Palin, but where did you get your info? she has not pushed to have creationism taught in schools.

yeah, i agree with that as well.

You're right, he's a secret Muslim member of the Weather Underground who's running for president only to make the country his personal ultra-liberal petri dish. Oh and he wants to exterminate white people. How could I have been so blind.

they're throwing everything against the wall to see what will stick. there is nothing to suggest she's a nut.

from factcheck

"Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

Blogs and CNN are not exactly neutral sources

As for palin, what are the chances that McCain croaks? And even if he does how exactly can a Republican President (especially one not elected) get ultra right wing programs past a democratic congress? A VP basically goes into hiding the day after the election and anyone who thinks that McCain is going to allow Palin to be his Cheney obviously doesnt understand McCain. The whole one heart beat thing is so overblown.

You have any journalism classes this year?

debate this in a Science classroom.
No one has ever prohibited this debate in public schools, ever.
You just don't debate it in a Science classroom for terribly obvious reasons.

How many frikkn times does the Supreme Court have to take this up again...

Right-wing programs aside, I just think she's not very smart, and would have no idea what the hell to do, hence her platform pretty much being her as a 'hockey mom'.. Hockey mom, leader of the free world.. Same thing I guess.

Obama may lack 'executive experience', but at least he's obviously a bright guy and has laid out plans for when he takes office.

you might want to occaisonally take issues a little more seriously.

20 years ago, anyone with those connections would have been laughed off the stage, early on in the primary and had no chance at a major party nomination.

that's something i come back to btw. the dem congress vs a rep president. but then i see palin..and like i said before, certainly mccain isn't necessarily going to gasp his last while in office.
so, i'm still undecided--had he not chosen palin i probably wouldn't be, i admit that. i just think mccain is more centered than obama, and that appeals to me.
as you say, the vp doesn't matter usually.
and many of these issues we keep bringing up, the president actually has nothing to do with. it's the school boards who decide curriculum. yeah, palin is right wing, but she can't legislate we all learn creationism in science class. as for the supreme court, i don't see a republican getting an ultra right judge in there, he/she won't get approved by congress.
it didn't seem to work well for us with a rep president and a rep congress. would dems in charge of both work any better? i always thought one of each worked better.

still time tho to decide.

to me too, i'm an atheist! but to me its not anywhere near the most important aspect of what makes a good leader.

does Obamas church teach something other than creationism? or any other candidate past or present. how many come out and say I don't believe in creationism?

Does it matter that his "plans" rarely come with details or have a prayer of working? Democrat gods mr and mrs Clinton had a plan for healthcare when they were elected back when you were in 2nd grade and we are still waiting on the details of that. They are smart too.

You dont think they wouldnt do a Weekend at Bernies on a grand scale?

I haven't decided who is the lesser of two evils yet, but it infuriates me to have to vote like that:mad:

We have much better choices this election.
Much.

better than bush/gore, bush/kerry. but that's not saying much.

what is the saying kev...the lesser of two evils is still evil?

I'd say if Obama's administration approached Clinton's, we'd be in pretty decent shape. I'm too tired for this though, tell your old man I said hey.

mr. smooth put his foot in his mouth again today, with a reference to "putting lipstick on a pig". He will deny it had anything to do with Palin, but whatever he says the audience got it and so will everyone else.

For a guy that ran a great primary campaign, he has turned into a walking disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd4yk0x-eg

We might get 70% of the registered voters.
That says a hell of a lot. Close to an all-time high
since figures have been accurately taken.

When was the last time 70% showed up at the polls?
We hear the same thing every damn year. Bad choices.
I disagree with the vehemence of a ... of a...
ill-tempered marmot.

you're so wrong, it doesn't matter if its a figure of speech, it has a different context at the moment that anyone can understand, I'm sure you got it.
the only thing it does is take him further off his message, he'll be responding tomorrow all day long in the news cycle to this comment, all his talking heads will be deflecting it in the media. it simply did not look presidential and showed horrible judgement. no one believes me but this is total amatuer hour and he is in freefall and if he is not careful this race could be all over but the shouting way earlier than even I predicted.

Wager?

you may be right that this issue will take everyone off the topic at hand. my homepage is set up with, among other things, links to ap news. only three links, but guess what one of them was this morning? when i saw your post, i went back to get that link, and read the story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26630854/

For some reason I feel like a lot of your sentences in future political discussions will start like this.

is that all you have, a not so deft change of topic?

Interesting all the talk this AM is about the pig comment. Things like this tend to stick - even though he may not have planned it...the perception of what he said will remain with many.

You can't make these gaff's at this point in the process - rookie mistake.

IMO, here is the deal. He was in Lebanon, VA when he made this comment. Residents of this portion of Southwest VA have been talking in this type of lingo for years. When I read about his visit in the local paper this morning, I viewed more as an attempt by Obama to try and connect with the people of the area as opposed to a cheap shot at Palin.


Just my 2 Abe's