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oracle80

11-14-2006 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Ok, then replace Slew o'Gold with Sky Beauty. Or Groovy.

Another brain surgeon. Groovy ran 2nd twice in the cup on the sheet rock out there after killing everyone all year. Geez, what a disgrace huh? You are clueless with facts as well. I wish people actually knew what they were talking about before they posted.

The Bid

11-14-2006 08:25 PM

Has Lava Man finished the BCC yet? I just read the first few posts on this thread. "Lava Man didnt look the same when he arrived at CHD"? Probably because he knew he was running against real racehorses. He probably choked when he looked around in the Paddock and saw what he was about to face. No chance, never had a chance, bad move by Oneill, almost as bad as when he sent him to Japan.

King Glorious

11-14-2006 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Another brain surgeon. Groovy ran 2nd twice in the cup on the sheet rock out there after killing everyone all year. Geez, what a disgrace huh? You are clueless with facts as well. I wish people actually knew what they were talking about before they posted.

Before u go on your tirades and tell other people that they need to know facts, u should know yours. Groovy finished FOURTH in the 1986 BC Sprint, behind Smile, Pine Tree Lane, and Bedside Promise.

Danzig

11-15-2006 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

now read the other posts about lava man and his 'stall walking'. some horses don't ship. doesn't make him a bad horse, it just means he's a mere mortal.

oracle80

11-15-2006 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Before u go on your tirades and tell other people that they need to know facts, u should know yours. Groovy finished FOURTH in the 1986 BC Sprint, behind Smile, Pine Tree Lane, and Bedside Promise.

Why not tell us about Groovy's Ancient Title race out there as well?
You guys crack me up.
Lava Man is a really brave and gutsy horse and a neat story. But please, Ace Blue ain't Invasor ok?

oracle80

11-15-2006 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

"stall walking" and "weavers" can easilly be cured by putting a goat in the stall with them.

Doesn't anyone around here know anything?

True story as told to be by a blacksmith and racetrack character.
Once upon a time there was a mare who seemed nervous and like an underachiever based on her talent displayed at times so the owner told the trainer to put a goat in with the mare.
The trainer did so and the mare continued to run poorly. About a year and a half later, the goat got sick and died.
Shortly after that the mare displayed a complete form reversal and won 4 races in a row including a stakes race. The owner asked the trainer what he thought caused the turnaround and the trainer replied " I'll tell you what happened, that goat was driving that mare ****ing crazy!!!!!!!" LOL!!!!

Bold Reasoning

11-15-2006 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Was that supposed to be a joke? Are you trying to be funny? Cause if you werent you sure have me laughing!!!!
Meadowlands runs one short tbred meet and two long harness meets, which is where they make their money. Come on please ok? You want me to believe that the meadowlands is gonna install a synthetic surface and keep ripping it out and reinstalling a harness surface every time they switch meets?
Thats pretty funny!!!!

Check last week's TT and BH. They both reported Jimmy Takter(harness representative) and Kelly Breen(thoroughbred representative) visiting Michael Dickinson's farm.

LARHAGE

11-15-2006 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Theres a lot more truth to that, I have seen horses kill goats. I tried it once with a lay-up that was fretting, he tossed the goat from the stall and the poor goat was impaled on the top of a chain-link fence! :confused:

blackthroatedwind

11-15-2006 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

"stall walking" and "weavers" can easilly be cured by putting a goat in the stall with them.

Doesn't anyone around here know anything?

After reading the responses to your suggestion it appears we can cross you off the list.

Cajungator26

11-15-2006 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

After reading the responses to your suggestion it appears we can cross you off the list.

Some high-strung horses do very well with goats. But then... some DON'T. :D The goat is the one at risk... lmao.

boswd

11-15-2006 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by redransom

Wait, why did they bring him to the Big Dance? Why wouldn't they?

Well, he won four grade 1s, three million-dollar races and is currently the all-time leading Cal-bred. Shipping out aside, it wasn't like anyone wanted to come in to California and face him over his home track. You'd think a million bucks would be enough incentive, but the truth is nobody wanted to face him here. And not to make excuses, but I gave him every benefit of the doubt for his three previous clunkers outside of California. Not so much now, but before it was definitely debatable.

My take? California horses spend a lot of time shipping East yet Eastern horses rarely come West. Why is that? And no lame excuses like the tracks are faster here. Plenty of speedy types race on the Right Coast and Cali-based horses still beat them straight up. If anything you'd think that when Cali horses ship they'd find the "deeper" tracks a hurdle.

But that's just me...

Basically the main reason in the past you would see more horses ship East than ship West is that 1. There are more graded stakes to choose form out East and 2. Those races carry much more weight in terms of Prestige. It just doesn't make much sense to go out West and run in the San Whatever Stakes when you can stay home and run in either The Pim Special The Whitney etc. Races that have a storied history. These races carry much more weight when it comes to voting and breeding. Wheather its fair or not is to be debated but it's the fact.

boswd

11-15-2006 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Maybe because the East encompasses a lot of different tracks, i.e. NY, KY and FL, whereas the West is just the same tired SOCAL horses all year long..

That is an excellent point. It's something the West Coast fans can't either accept or just won't believe. But the East Coast has about three or four Circuits thatn intertwine with each other. The Mid West Circuity, Mid Atlantic, NY and KY and the West Coast has there three tracks and those bull rings up north.

Danzig

11-15-2006 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

"stall walking" and "weavers" can easilly be cured by putting a goat in the stall with them.

Doesn't anyone around here know anything?

if it was that easy, there would be no stall walkers or weavers.
and yeah, i know some horses do well with company. actually most do, a single horse in a pasture can often become neurotic--no one to help watch for predators, horses after all are a prey animal.
maybe he needs a cat, or a rooster. or maybe he just needs to stay in cali and win every race and make many $'s. easier on the goat population that way.

repent

11-16-2006 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Repent,

You should start betting on Nascar... more predictable than betting on horses. I don't understand how you can care about the future of horse racing if you don't care about the horses themselves... that makes no sense at all. Without the horses, there would be no racing...

NASCAR?

no thanks,
Im not a red kneck.

dont know what could be more boring than watching cars driving around a circle in hopes that someone makes a right turn.

I like the sport of horse racing.
but I dont have to care about the health of the participants involved.
same with the NFL.
I like watching the NY Giants more than just about anything else on earth.
but I dont give 2 sh*ts about Tiki Barber or Jeremy Shockey as people.
they could both die tomorrow and I simply do not care.

Repent

repent

11-16-2006 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

I dont think repent "wants" to see any horses get hurt to prove his point and I think that some of you are taking his statement the wrong way. There are plenty of people out there that say they care about racing and are licking there chops everytime another horse breaks down and are giving high fives to each other. And those people are the ones that create polytrack. Our racing integrity is at stake here and there is one thing that we are great at and that is racing on the dirt. It will be a woeful time in the US when the Europeans come over here and run 1 2 3 in the Classic. Repent and I (hopefully he does) hope that something else can open up peoples eyes to this polycrap s*it and help save what we have spent over 100 years building, the best DIRT horses in the world.

right on.

and besides the racing aspect, we really dont know what externalities come with this crap.

20 years from now, everyone working at Turfway and KEE might develop respiratory problems from being around that crap.

well said.

Repent

repent

11-16-2006 01:24 AM

well,
back to Lava Man.
run him on the turf as much as possible and by all means,
please dont leave the state of CA again.
nothing good is going to come of it and there is plenty of money in CA to be won.
make him the next Native Diver.
I just want to see him run The Slow Man into the ground next year on the turf.
that is one overrated horse.

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