I understand your points. I can still be correct in my statement based on when I was referring too. Hey Bern was very good in April and stunk by June. That happens to many horses including GG. Ilysium Fields got injured and we will never know but he was a very good horse in April.

Strangely enough, I kind of agree.

But I'm willing to freely admit that my thinking may be a product of the fact that I always liked Jazil from the beginning, rather than a rational, evidence-based conclusion...

...since he kind of wasn't actually that good in the big picture.

He was a neat horse who was good for what he was good for, and he was fortunate to have run a couple of decent races and to mostly inherit a Belmont Stakes in which it seemed like he was the only 12-furlong runner in the field anyway. I liked his Derby better.

As a three year old Jazil won the Belmont, placed 4th in one of the most KY Derbys in this decade, and finished 2nd in the Wood Memorial. He also was 2nd in an Allowance race. How is that a slouch?

How is agreeing with me strange? :)

Less to do with you than the fact that I made a Jazil joke and actually didn't mean it.

Though I do disagree with your entire premise in this thread, but I don't have anything to add.

Ouch! I'd like to think I bring a high level of energy to the Big Brown discussion.

I for one cannot wait until this discussion is over. So much time and print wasted about a bunch of bad horses. Frankly, who cares. The all sucked. I just hope to God that 2009 will bring something special.

"They all sucked" Nice contribuition. Hardly!

No need to and I certainly am not a Jazil expert, just the opposite. I only said he wasn't a slouch. I just thought he ran well in a very good derby field and had a fairly decent showing as 3 yr old including winning the grueling Belmont.

this makes me embarrassed that i have ever come close to agreeing with you on anything.
at any rate, i think hoy is curlins, but certainly i can't fault anyone for voting for brown.

There is no need to be embarassed. Plenty of other people have anonymously agreed with some of my opinions. :)

well, for what it's worth, i'd take jazil over da tara.

sarava

I never thought much of Jazil either, perhaps his reputation comes from being one of Better Than Honour's offspring.

Hasili's Cacique and Personal Ensign's Our Emblem were perhaps also more well known for being famous sons rather than what they did on the racetrack.

They also said the same thing or something simlilar about Azeri before she tried the colts, it's really easy to look good when you are racing against a subpar bunch of horses.