The South American is a crow, someone has to run third.

I think it's fair to give Big Brown some improvement, so call it 107, and that gives Smooth Air a very plausible high 90's (96-98). Don't know what to think of that last race of the day. Seems unbelievably fast. Very difficult to make figures, like old school GP.

FP he's not peddling shiat, he's dead on accurate here.

I love it when you call horses crows, I laugh every time :D :D You're right though, someone had to run 3rd, and he probably ran about the same as he did in Peru here, a mid 80's Beyer.

Credit for what?

He got an excellent pace to close into and was beaten double digits....

He did however manage to outrun similar styled Cool Gator...who could only manage a 5th as the 11th choice in the betting.

Hey, I got beat a similar margin in my ski race today.

I was a proud recipient of an Amstel Light blanket for that.

He's a very akward looking mover (don't really care for that style)... the Derby distance wouldn't be an issue for him though, that's for sure.

to me it wasn't all that impressive, 3rd, 12.5 lengths back. the comment says "outrun early, passed tired rivals". everyone chasing Big Brown ended up retreating, allowing those from the back half of the field to advance late.

All the colts had the paceto run at and they melted. Only one horse ran these fractions{BB}.Maybe all the negative posters can get behind the CLASSY GOODLOOKING horse again and bet him down to 5/2.

Are you guys talking in terms of BSF's?

I don't know what the par racing times are at GP. I do have the Beyer chart in front of me from his book Beyer on Speed. Big Brown's 1:48 for a 1 1/8 is a 122.

Beyer Speed Ratings for 1 1/8
Time BSF
1:48 122
-1 120
-2 119
-3 117
-4 115
1:49 113
-1 111
-2 108
-3 106
-4 105
1:50 104
-1 102
-2 100
-3 99
-4 97
1:51 96
-1 93
-2 90
-3 88
-4 87

These are the base numbers. Once they calculate the variant there might be some projection involved in giving these races a BSF.

Who are you talking about?

Who's the classy good looking horse?

Fast paces best setup deep closers...not stalkers, pressers, or mid-pack types

The chart I am using counts 100ths, and BB ran almost 1/5 (.16) slower than 1:48 flat. That is the reason for the small difference.

Elysium Fields.

Boy here's where you'll kill me about "Big Brown." He' s green, he'll bounce. Sorry:(

It jars the funny bone. To me he looked like Lost In the Fog going long. He surely scampered out of that gate incredibly fast and ran the field into submission just like LITF used to, but this time longer.

lol...its great though because that horse will be over bet now. how many horses win the derby in that fashion ? not many ! electrify actually ran a faster race , the fractions were almost the same and he came home faster and he was beating the likes of saint daimon and better than bonds. that track changed or something was up. those horses just are not that good. so go ahead bet him hard, call him the best until the first saturday in may. on sunday morning you'll be tearing them up with your hangover . ever since gulfstream changed the schedule, that race attracts very few good horses. i liked smooth air at least he won the grade 2 . he was the only one with a graded win at 18-1 , besides majestic warrior, who won the hopeful 7 months ago,the rest were your basic allowance rats.so go ahead call that a derby !lol

I'm seeing 3 yr old sprinters disguised as routers. I am not impressed with these 3 yr old horses at this point whatsoever insofar as running a distance of ground.

lower then 5-2 unless war pass comes back and freaks

With regards to Tomcito, I was slightly impressed with his race today.
On the one hand, he simply ran by some moderately talented colts who had made a much more concerted effort than he did to stay close to a hot pace. And, as others mentioned, he was still nowhere near the winner at the end.

But, given that this was the colt's first start off of a long layoff, and at a distance that is probably not his best, the fact that he wasn't close to a nice colt like Big Brown isn't particularly shocking. Tomcito actually broke pretty sharply but then seemed very awkward going into the first turn (he might have been bumped slightly....I can't tell) and settled back to last. From there, I thought his race wasn't bad at all. He might turn out to be nothing, but when stretched out to 10f in the future, he seems like the type that might win some halfway decent stakes races if the pace is hot enough in front of him.

FP he's not peddling shiat, he's on accurate here.

Jim, I understand now. I've already clarified this.

he's not peddling anything that track changed or the timer is wrong. the last 3 races on dirt were run at 1 and 1/8. the last two produced simular times. either the bonnie miss was bad horses and they ran 20 lenghts slower or the track got the "scrape". they always want these big races to look fast. unless its a poly track. i also feel that BB didn't beat much in that group either.