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RockHardTen1985 12-05-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 956236)
I know they've had some injuries but man the Nets are brutal. Whose idea was it to hire Jason Kidd as a head coach, when guys like Lionel Hollins, the Van Gundys and Nate McMillan are out there.

Im not sure Jeff Van Gundy wants to coach anymore, its been reported on ESPN that he has had offers, but enjoys what hes doing.

Cannon Shell 12-05-2013 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 956236)
I know they've had some injuries but man the Nets are brutal. Whose idea was it to hire Jason Kidd as a head coach, when guys like Lionel Hollins, the Van Gundys and Nate McMillan are out there.

When you get ripped by the Knicks you have big problems.

Kidd just doesnt want to do the work that an NBA coach needs to do. It was a horrible idea in hindsight but the real question is who buys an NBA team and turns it over to Billy King? Deron Williams got hurt? KG and Paul Pierce are old? AK47 is hurt? Wow these are shockers...

I like Teletovic. Someone should try to steal him from King. Could be a solid stretch 4 like Ryan Anderson on the right team

Cannon Shell 12-05-2013 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 956239)
Im not sure Jeff Van Gundy wants to coach anymore, its been reported on ESPN that he has had offers, but enjoys what hes doing.

Porn stache Stan is available

Cannon Shell 12-06-2013 06:20 PM

So I'm watching Wizards/Bucks (dont ask why) and all I can say is that good seats are available in the Verizon Center. I don't know what the announced attendance is but it looks to be an intimate gathering.

Duvalier 12-07-2013 01:27 PM

NBA's top teams ATS so far this season...Portland at 15-5 with Phoenix 14-5-1 and Indiana coming in at 14-5

NBA's worst team ATS Cleveland at 5-14

Cannon Shell 12-08-2013 06:26 PM

Big Sunday
Kobe is back
Rudy Gay traded for a bag of balls
Pacers/OKC
Knicks disgraceful effort

RockHardTen1985 12-08-2013 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 956558)
Big Sunday
Kobe is back
Rudy Gay traded for a bag of balls
Pacers/OKC
Knicks disgraceful effort

Cant really expect much from Indiana after last nights game. Tonight is an obvious big time letdown spot.

RockHardTen1985 12-08-2013 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 956415)
NBA's top teams ATS so far this season...Portland at 15-5 with Phoenix 14-5-1 and Indiana coming in at 14-5

NBA's worst team ATS Cleveland at 5-14

Clearly thats because, like me, Vegas also loved Cleveland.

Cannon Shell 12-08-2013 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 956560)
Cant really expect much from Indiana after last nights game. Tonight is an obvious big time letdown spot.

They were flat as you predicted.

rpncaine 12-09-2013 06:37 AM

All three losses are on the second night of back-to-backs. Big game at home against the Heat Tuesday night. It will feel like the playoffs for sure.

RockHardTen1985 12-09-2013 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rpncaine (Post 956572)
All three losses are on the second night of back-to-backs. Big game at home against the Heat Tuesday night. It will feel like the playoffs for sure.

Indiana is clearly a huge threat to win the NBA championship. I believe they are the biggest threat to Miami in the entire NBA. I believe Miami would steamroll a team like OKC, Golden St or the Clippers. I believe they would beat San Antonio again and beat Houston. Its the Pacers who are the big threat to Miami.
I believe the Tuesday night game is much bigger for Indiana then it is for Miami. I dont care if Miami is the 1 or 5 seed come playoff time they show up. I think Indiana needs the home court and needs the confidence booster of beating them this year. I know Indiana played great in that series last year, but Miami still won and still won the Championship.

Duvalier 12-10-2013 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 956650)
Indiana is clearly a huge threat to win the NBA championship. I believe they are the biggest threat to Miami in the entire NBA. I believe Miami would steamroll a team like OKC, Golden St or the Clippers. I believe they would beat San Antonio again and beat Houston. Its the Pacers who are the big threat to Miami.
I believe the Tuesday night game is much bigger for Indiana then it is for Miami. I dont care if Miami is the 1 or 5 seed come playoff time they show up. I think Indiana needs the home court and needs the confidence booster of beating them this year. I know Indiana played great in that series last year, but Miami still won and still won the Championship.

I know it was just an oversight but you forgot Portland.

rpncaine 12-10-2013 11:31 AM

Home court is vital. Pacers know it and that's been their focus all season. Every interview the coach and players give they talk about it. Gotta even out those calls that LeBron and Wade get somehow.

PS...Thanks for not picking them :-)

Cannon Shell 12-10-2013 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 956650)
Indiana is clearly a huge threat to win the NBA championship. I believe they are the biggest threat to Miami in the entire NBA. I believe Miami would steamroll a team like OKC, Golden St or the Clippers. I believe they would beat San Antonio again and beat Houston. Its the Pacers who are the big threat to Miami.
I believe the Tuesday night game is much bigger for Indiana then it is for Miami. I dont care if Miami is the 1 or 5 seed come playoff time they show up. I think Indiana needs the home court and needs the confidence booster of beating them this year. I know Indiana played great in that series last year, but Miami still won and still won the Championship.

December games arent that important in the grand scheme. Indiana is really good but they are perhaps a bit enhanced by the Eastern Conference. The big question for Miami is going to be health as they have clearly been resting the older guys and Wade is already shaky though he has looked pretty good when he does actually play. I dont know that they have any assets or ability to add any help.

OKC is very dangerous as they have young guys who can play though I'd rather make a future book bet on them for next season. SA is still very good. I dont believe based on what I've seen this year the Clippers or Warriors can get through OKC or SA. Houston is a wild card but I'd still lean toward the others. Portland is playing great but they are lacking in front court depth and cant afford any injuries.

RockHardTen1985 12-10-2013 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 956659)
I know it was just an oversight but you forgot Portland.

I like what they are doing, but I dont think they can beat OKC, San Antonio, Houston or Golden St in a playoff series. They might be able to beat the CLippers though. The West is the so deep, but its funny because the East has the 2 top teams in the NBA.

RockHardTen1985 12-10-2013 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rpncaine (Post 956669)
Home court is vital. Pacers know it and that's been their focus all season. Every interview the coach and players give they talk about it. Gotta even out those calls that LeBron and Wade get somehow.

PS...Thanks for not picking them :-)

I think Miami shows up and wins tonight. I expect Paul George to have a giant game though.

RockHardTen1985 12-10-2013 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 956704)
December games arent that important in the grand scheme. Indiana is really good but they are perhaps a bit enhanced by the Eastern Conference. The big question for Miami is going to be health as they have clearly been resting the older guys and Wade is already shaky though he has looked pretty good when he does actually play. I dont know that they have any assets or ability to add any help.

OKC is very dangerous as they have young guys who can play though I'd rather make a future book bet on them for next season. SA is still very good. I dont believe based on what I've seen this year the Clippers or Warriors can get through OKC or SA. Houston is a wild card but I'd still lean toward the others. Portland is playing great but they are lacking in front court depth and cant afford any injuries.

I agree on the CLippers. I think Golden St and Houston are both the big wild cards come playoff time. I dont believe in OKC. They get dumptrucked by Miami or Indiana if they somehow make it out of the west.

RockHardTen1985 12-10-2013 06:34 PM

Mike Woodson
 
Mike could be out tonight in NY. They are down 25-9 to the Cavs right now. After getting blasted by Boston on Sunday. I dont believe its Woodsons fault. I believe the roster is a joke and Carmelo is a total joke overrated gunner who plays no defense and is selfish.

Cannon Shell 12-10-2013 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 956710)
I agree on the CLippers. I think Golden St and Houston are both the big wild cards come playoff time. I dont believe in OKC. They get dumptrucked by Miami or Indiana if they somehow make it out of the west.

OKC is really good. Jackson, Lamb and Adams are starting level players though short on experience. The key to the West may be who Houston gets for Asik. They are the one contender who in theory at least is going to add a big piece. Golden State is fun to watch but they arent getting out of 2nd round.

RockHardTen1985 12-10-2013 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 956715)
OKC is really good. Jackson, Lamb and Adams are starting level players though short on experience. The key to the West may be who Houston gets for Asik. They are the one contender who in theory at least is going to add a big piece. Golden State is fun to watch but they arent getting out of 2nd round.

I disagree about Golden St. They are capable of getting hot at any time and in any playoff series winning all of the home games. Look at how well they played against the Spurs last year.
I agree about Houston. I think Harden is a top 5 player Howard a top 7 or 8 player and Parsons is the most underrated player in the entire NBA. Plus they will get something for the big guy like you said.

Cannon Shell 12-10-2013 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 956713)
Mike could be out tonight in NY. They are down 25-9 to the Cavs right now. After getting blasted by Boston on Sunday. I dont believe its Woodsons fault. I believe the roster is a joke and Carmelo is a total joke overrated gunner who plays no defense and is selfish.

I watch Cleveland play and either Mike Brown is took the job on a deal that he listens to some analytic guy or he has really lost it. They simply play too many guys. Jack really isnt a PG. Waiters needs to play for a coach that will keep him on a short leash. They have some interesting guys but too many are one dimensional. They just cant score enough especially when Irving isnt in.

Cannon Shell 12-10-2013 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 956717)
I disagree about Golden St. They are capable of getting hot at any time and in any playoff series winning all of the home games. Look at how well they played against the Spurs last year.
I agree about Houston. I think Harden is a top 5 player Howard a top 7 or 8 player and Parsons is the most underrated player in the entire NBA. Plus they will get something for the big guy like you said.

They just dont have a good enough bench and dont get much at all from the front court. Bogut scored 7 pts a game. His backup is O'Neil who is 100 year old. That's pretty much it. Teams cant win playoff series soley in transition and with perimeter shooting. Of course the odds that the entire roster remains healthy is remote as well.

Pretty funny you kill Carmelo for being a selfish gunner who doesnt play defense then praise Harden.

RockHardTen1985 12-10-2013 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 956718)
I watch Cleveland play and either Mike Brown is took the job on a deal that he listens to some analytic guy or he has really lost it. They simply play too many guys. Jack really isnt a PG. Waiters needs to play for a coach that will keep him on a short leash. They have some interesting guys but too many are one dimensional. They just cant score enough especially when Irving isnt in.

A lot of my intrigue with Cleveland was the fact that they had a lot of young parts. Waiters, Irving and Bennett. Plus Bynum if he could stay healthy and Varejo who I thought they might move and get something decent back for because he is a rebounding machine.
So far what’s actually happened is this. Bynum is just now starting to produce. Irving has played like ****. 19 a game on 39% shooting. This was supposed to be his huge year, at least I thought so??? Waiters is disgruntled and not playing well either. Bennett , so far has been a bust of epic proportions. The East sucks so Im not totally ready to write them off yet, as I still believe they could beat anyone in the playoffs other than the top 2 teams.

RockHardTen1985 12-10-2013 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 956719)
They just dont have a good enough bench and dont get much at all from the front court. Bogut scored 7 pts a game. His backup is O'Neil who is 100 year old. That's pretty much it. Teams cant win playoff series soley in transition and with perimeter shooting. Of course the odds that the entire roster remains healthy is remote as well.

Pretty funny you kill Carmelo for being a selfish gunner who doesnt play defense then praise Harden.

Carmelo is a total joke IMO.
Harden is passing the ball Chuck, you cant deny that. He is at a career high 6 assists a game this year. Carmelo is at 2.7
Harden has also improved his rebounding this year by a full rebound a game, I know Melo is rebounding the ball well this year. A huge part of that is CHandler being out.
I hate everything about Carmelo Anthony. I love Harden. They call Harden big game James for a reasson.

Duvalier 12-10-2013 07:36 PM

What do you guys think about Andre Drummond in Detroit? He seems like a future star in the making. He's had some huge games early on, and seems to only be scratching the surface in just his second year in the league...plus he's only 20. The obvious weakness is his free throw shooting.

Cannon Shell 12-10-2013 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 956722)
A lot of my intrigue with Cleveland was the fact that they had a lot of young parts. Waiters, Irving and Bennett. Plus Bynum if he could stay healthy and Varejo who I thought they might move and get something decent back for because he is a rebounding machine.
So far what’s actually happened is this. Bynum is just now starting to produce. Irving has played like ****. 19 a game on 39% shooting. This was supposed to be his huge year, at least I thought so??? Waiters is disgruntled and not playing well either. Bennett , so far has been a bust of epic proportions. The East sucks so Im not totally ready to write them off yet, as I still believe they could beat anyone in the playoffs other than the top 2 teams.

Irving would be 1st team All NBA if he played every game against Felton and Prigioni.

Cannon Shell 12-10-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 956723)
Carmelo is a total joke IMO.
Harden is passing the ball Chuck, you cant deny that. He is at a career high 6 assists a year this year. Carmelo is at 2.7
Harden has also improved his rebounding this year by a full rebound a game, I know Melo is rebounding the ball well this year. A huge part of that is CHandler being out.
I hate everything about Carmelo Anthony. I love Harden. They call Harden big game James for a reasson.

Harden doesn't even try to defend. Melo has a completely dysfunctional team surrounding him. They are the same guy, one has a beard and the other is taller.

Cannon Shell 12-10-2013 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 956725)
What do you guys think about Andre Drummond in Detroit? He seems like a future star in the making. He's had some huge games early on, and seems to only be scratching the surface in just his second year in the league...plus he's only 20. The obvious weakness is his free throw shooting.

Drummond was the steal of that draft. He is more or less turning out to be what we thought Oden would be. Or maybe 90% of what we thought he'd be. He was playing really well last year until he got hurt.

Duvalier 12-10-2013 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 956727)
They are the same guy, one has a beard and the other is taller.

Lol...you kill me Chuck.

RockHardTen1985 12-10-2013 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 956727)
Harden doesn't even try to defend. Melo has a completely dysfunctional team surrounding him. They are the same guy, one has a beard and the other is taller.

I have never disagreed with you more, EVER.
Harden is a stone cold NBA superstar. Melo is one of the most overrated players EVER.

RockHardTen1985 12-10-2013 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 956725)
What do you guys think about Andre Drummond in Detroit? He seems like a future star in the making. He's had some huge games early on, and seems to only be scratching the surface in just his second year in the league...plus he's only 20. The obvious weakness is his free throw shooting.

Young stud IMO.

Cannon Shell 12-10-2013 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 956730)
I have never disagreed with you more, EVER.
Harden is a stone cold NBA superstar. Melo is one of the most overrated players EVER.

Same guy in different unis

RockHardTen1985 12-10-2013 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 956735)
Same guy in different unis

I guess the assist stat is irrlevant to you??

Cannon Shell 12-11-2013 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 956736)
I guess the assist stat is irrlevant to you??

He is playing 40 mins a game on a team that plays among the fastest tempo's in the league. He is bound to get a few assists somewhere. His assist/TO rate is very low. Harden has more assists a game, Melo has more rebounds. The point is that they are both one dimensional players unlike the very best players who play both ends.

Hardens abysmal 3 point % (30.3%) this year somehow gets ignored by the fawning press and PG1985 while Josh Smith who is a far, far better defender gets killed (deservedly so) for shooting 27%.

Harden is a very good player but he clearly could be a better player if he took fewer 3 point shots, stopped turning the ball over so much and made just a bit more of a contribution of the defensive end. Pretty much like Carmello.

Cannon Shell 12-11-2013 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 956730)
I have never disagreed with you more, EVER.
Harden is a stone cold NBA superstar. Melo is one of the most overrated players EVER.

"Everyone, every Knick fan I know and its at least 30 loves the move. People are realistic and know its not a this year move. Its the next 5-9 years after this move. The other guys are just players. Melo is a star."

Your quote from 2-22-2011 on the Knicks move that most of the posters agreed that the Knicks gave up far too much in the Melo trade.


You should run for office

RockHardTen1985 12-11-2013 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 956765)
"Everyone, every Knick fan I know and its at least 30 loves the move. People are realistic and know its not a this year move. Its the next 5-9 years after this move. The other guys are just players. Melo is a star."

Your quote from 2-22-2011 on the Knicks move that most of the posters agreed that the Knicks gave up far too much in the Melo trade.


You should run for office

I was delusional.
And its preposterous comparing Harden to Anthony.

knickslions2 12-11-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 956770)
I was delusional.
And its preposterous comparing Harden to Anthony.

Bottom line is they will both win the same amount of championships

Zero

Cannon Shell 12-11-2013 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 956770)
I was delusional.
And its preposterous comparing Harden to Anthony.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...deja01&y2=2014

2013
Anthony 38.9 min 9-20 FG .440 1-3 .319 3pts 123-147 .837 FT 21 stl 11 blks
Harden 38.8 min 7-16 FG .449 2-6 .302 3pts 141-164 .860 FT 26 stl 11 blks

Yeah preposterous

Same guy

Duvalier 12-11-2013 09:39 PM

For all the Jordan fans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVmU3...ature=youtu.be

RockHardTen1985 12-13-2013 11:04 PM

Clevland also playing better. Its actually going to come down to them and Detroit for the 3rd best team in the East. Not that it matters at all come playoff time.


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