He bet against her yesterday?

St. Trinians is the only horse she's faced all year who isn't a complete joke - and anyone with any sense knows St. Trinians was the better horse that day.

Rinterval got a lifetime top for the Hirsch.

thx, that is correct.

So if the beyers are accurate the last two fillies who finished second to her ran the race of their lives.

Just from her last race at Del Mar - Rinterval and Princess Taylor both were.

St. Trinians broke into the side of the gate - got a horrid ride - lost a shoe - and still equalled her lifetime top - which was a race like 5 back.

Gio Ponti hasn't come within 9 or 10 points of his BC Classic fig this year.

Obviously - none of that has anything to do with her figures being inflated. There are other routes on these cards.

Sry, missed Princess Taylor too. Gio Ponti has nothing to do with this years races. St. Trinians is another example of a horse who finished second to her and supposedly ran the race of her life.

Maybe a little bit of her greatness just rubs off on everyone around her.

Not on her fans on the internet.

i've seen mentions about zenyatta helping the sport, bringing attention to it, etc. it's simply not true. everyone who knows me knows i'm a racing fan, and many folks are also sports fans. every year, there are questions about the derby winner, the ark derby winner. people ask about the dee tee horses. there was mention of rachel when she was running. not one person has ever asked me about zenyatta. that's how much she's in the mainstream, and how much attention she's garnering outside of racing and outside the west coast.

I agree with your overall point, but I think the Baffert filly who ran second yesterday is actually pretty decent.

Switch is a Sadler filly.

I'd like to see her run on dirt again - Devil May Care beat her by 9 lengths at Gulfstream in the Bonnie Miss.

Good Points but here's were I disagree I was sitting in a Pizza Restaurant at 7:15 EDT last night in Ocala Fl, it was full 60 or 70 people. We switched over to TVG to watch the Race a couple of tables Ask why did you do that. I went on to explain what was going on atleast 1/2 the people were listening to me and they had no Ideal who Zenyatta was. but as the race was unfolding everyone in the Place was cheering for Zenyatta it was actually kind of crazy. So atleast in Ocala Fl last night Zenyatta did help bring attention to the sport in a restaurant were 1/2 the Crowd had no ideal who she was.

i'd say it was you, not zenyatta, who brought their attention to a race. but hey, if you made a couple new fans yesterday, good for you.

Oh yeah, that's what I meant.

She might not be much on dirt, but her last three synthetic efforts have been pretty good.

I make it a point to ask people who won the Kentucky Derby in the week after its run and 99% dont even know that the race was run. Our sport just isn't main stream anymore.

Now THAT was funny.

Gotta say I'm a big Z fan, seen her 3x and never fails to amaze & thrill me. There are no numbers or stats for that.
I think she will win the BC classic again. The question is...who will be second?

Okay, and if Andy Beyer writes a column claiming that you haven't seen her three times, or that she sometimes fails to amaze and thrill you....he would probably deserve harsh criticism.
However, pretty much everything he said in this piece happens to be true.

If someone would've told me five or ten years ago that someday a 6-year-old mare will be the morning line favorite in the BCC … I would've called them a clueless moron.

This is just sick. :cool:

you know she doesnt gather much attention when half the people in a thoroughbred town named Ocala dont know who she is.

With that said, I'm not sure if any of my friends here in Ocala know who she is.

the cheers move to tears on nov 6 ?

Just wow....

Beyer today

Zenyatta now has to prove that she can win at the highest level of the sport.

Going from synthetic to dirt (see Zardana, et al)

Had perfect prep race after being on shelf for two months

Fresh, fit, and moving from less than ideal distance (8.5f) to ideal distance (10f)

Trained by a guy who owns big score at CD.



You guys do realize that Z could be sitting on a big one here … right?

If someone 5 or 10 years ago told me that people would be rating a mare that is all out to beat creampuffs on a fake dirt track in CA in the same class as Seattle Slew and Citation, I would have held an intervention for them.

Are you trying to convince us or yourself?

That "big one" is a career top of a 104 on dirt against a shaky field where the other horse in the race who wasn't much to begin with ran like crap anyway. Gonna take a whole lot better than a 104 to beat Blame, Quality Road, etc.

She hasn't exactly been facing the highest level of the sport lately. And this is a watered down version of the highest level.

She might have been sitting on a big one all year had they taken the training wheels off.

The irony is that Blame and Quality Road are hardly good horses in a historical sense. Neither would currently break into the top 100.

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It's not ironic....it's legit and sad.

Where do you have Macho Again and Bullsbay on that top 100 list, Cannon?

Pretty good post … you have a problem with it?

Hmmm, where do I have Washington on the College Football Top 25 polls? Better yet, where does everyone else?

Somewhere between Rutgers and South Florida

No, but your hedging is pretty amusing. When she's off the board in the Classic your excuse is all ready.

Right below Washington

Phil....TULANE???

I wonder why no one ships in for a couple of hundrend g's to beat the big mare? Can it just be that they are so against synthetics that they wouldnt dare come race on principle alone. Is it the owners who dont want to try it or the trainers? Her races on dirt show alot more turn of foot than her races on synthetic of course this just my opinon but I just dont get why a 5k plane ride and some hotel rooms for help doesnt attract more people to come and try and beat her. Its gotta be the synthetic principle, call b ullshit but dont show up to prove it.