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Coach Pants 03-06-2008 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Apples and oranges? I think not. I don't have a clue what I am talking about...oh, how odd, that's all I ever get on this board, and I think it is very funny coming from someone who says that we are talking about apples and oranges. Analyzing ability and talent is a large part of handicapping, and that is what comparing War Pass and Big Brown is all about. How is it not? What about the Derby future wagers?

Did you bet the race?

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-06-2008 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Did you bet the race?

Derby futures? Which race?

miraja2 03-06-2008 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Derby futures? Which race?

THE RACE THAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-06-2008 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Derby futures? Which race?

you are the devil!!

GBBob 03-06-2008 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
you are the devil!!

but is she a face painter?

freddymo 03-06-2008 01:42 PM

Hasn't Boundary tossed a bunch of Sprinter type (grass) sorts that have been very good early and then fizzled out.. The colt has a handled the dirt well enough but I have more then a shadow of doubt that he just might be best between 7 and 8f's.. He hasn't taken a bad step but I remain a bit cautious.

philcski 03-06-2008 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Hasn't Boundary tossed a bunch of Sprinter type (grass) sorts that have been very good early and then fizzled out.. The colt has a handled the dirt well enough but I have more then a shadow of doubt that he just might be best between 7 and 8f's.. He hasn't taken a bad step but I remain a bit cautious.

He hasn't had much at all, to be honest. Think Minardi might be his best.

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-06-2008 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Your questions won't get answered because you are too stupid to comprehend the answer. At 21 or whatever you are you feel as though you have everything in the world figured out. Good for you. It must be nice. I was like you also, only difference is I was 13 and eventually i grew up (sort of). I could go on, but what's the point?

This is hysterical...haha! :D

Bigsmc 03-06-2008 01:48 PM

This is the best.

I was waiting for my vehicle to get repaired, so I thought I'd open up the Big Brown Book. Much to my delight, what started out as a normal thread got boosted in the middle by the re-appearance of PG1985 (9 for 9) and the cherry on top is the late entry of the narcissistic ramblings of KRIM.

Thank you, thank you one and all, for livening up what was otherwise a very dreary day for me.

philcski 03-06-2008 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by easy goer
From Dick DOwney site:

Ramon said that this horse is very unique because he feels like he’s falling asleep on you down the backside. ...”--Richard Schosberg

“He’s very unique; as big as he is, he does as little as he has to. He is very responsive, though, when you ask him to go. He’ll give you one big stride and then turn himself off."--Ramon Dominguez

DOes this sound like a horse that...What the heck did Kentucky say? He runs on his own?

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I didn't say that. Everyone else said that. Not me. This excerpt says exactly what I said. The horse wasn't all out down the stretch because the jock didn't ask him. He never asked him. He was holding him back.

You guys are talking about TWO DIFFERENT HORSES. The top is referencing GIANT MOON, not BIG BROWN.

Easy Goer, wouldn't you take the time to know that? C'mon, you're better than that.

Scav 03-06-2008 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
You guys are talking about TWO DIFFERENT HORSES. The top is referencing GIANT MOON, not BIG BROWN.

Easy Goer, wouldn't you take the time to know that? C'mon, you're better than that.

LOL

I thought something was up when I saw Schoesburg as the quoted trainer. I figured I would let these two lovebirds go at it.

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-06-2008 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
You guys are talking about TWO DIFFERENT HORSES. The top is referencing GIANT MOON, not BIG BROWN.

Easy Goer, wouldn't you take the time to know that? C'mon, you're better than that.

Sorry, I assumed that he was right, and that was Big Brown. That is my mistake.

freddymo 03-06-2008 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
He hasn't had much at all, to be honest. Think Minardi might be his best.

Wasn't Pomeroy a Boundary?

King Glorious 03-06-2008 02:00 PM

I'll answer her question. It's not as much fun as giving her a hard time is but really, the question is not a hard one. She just asked simply who do you think will be a better horse, War Pass or Big Brown?

I go with War Pass. Really, it wasn't a ridiculous question as most are making it out to be.

philcski 03-06-2008 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Wasn't Pomeroy a Boundary?

Yeah, nice call... I should have known that. I liked that one a lot, probably his best US runner.

freddymo 03-06-2008 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Yeah, nice call... I should have known that. I liked that one a lot, probably his best US runner.

It's very possible this colt hits the frickin wall at a mile.. IMO more so then WP cant get 10f's..

Nothing wrong with an awesome miler Rosie...You maybe right about the horse and wrong about the course and distance...Maybe he is Lure 2?

philcski 03-06-2008 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
It's very possible this colt hits the frickin wall at a mile.. IMO more so then WP cant get 10f's..

Nothing wrong with an awesome miler Rosie...You maybe right about the horse and wrong about the course and distance...Maybe he is Lure 2?

Nah, he actually ACCELERATED after setting a pretty wicked pace going a mile and a sixteenth in his debut. I could certainly be wrong but he's finished with energy both times...

GBBob 03-06-2008 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Nah, he actually ACCELERATED after setting a pretty wicked pace going a mile and a sixteenth in his debut. I could certainly be wrong but he's finished with energy both times...

Phil..excellent post..Really enjoying the dialogue between you and Freddy

thought I would get this thread back on it's feet again

the_fat_man 03-06-2008 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Nah, he actually ACCELERATED after setting a pretty wicked pace going a mile and a sixteenth in his debut. I could certainly be wrong but he's finished with energy both times...

Here's a comparison, by splits, to the Weekend Madness (R7), run the same day and won by Classic Neel.

Big Brown R5: 23.19 24.35 24.30 22.62 5.87

R7: 23.28 21.98 23.92 24.37 6.53

While he dropped the field when he accelerated, it's interesting that he didn't completely wipe them out, and some actually came back a bit (relatively) the last 1/16th. Of course, the maiden field was probably better than that he faced yesterday. But I think he was more impressive yesterday.

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-06-2008 04:12 PM

from this point till he gets beat he wont see the turf imo

Scav 03-06-2008 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
from this point till he gets beat he wont see the turf imo

Not just gets beat, but runs poorly

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-06-2008 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Not just gets beat, but runs poorly

you and i and ateam were on em in the maiden breaker..:D

Scav 03-06-2008 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
you and i and ateam were on em in the maiden breaker..:D

My last winner....

you have a crazy memory, that was like 7 months ago and you remember a post from back then....

mp3 03-06-2008 04:46 PM

Big Brown to the florida derby
 
as per IEAH...they said they want to give him more spacing to the KD than the BG would provide.

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-06-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
A 30 pack is about the equal of 3 beers at Siro's

And a half keg of "UC" :D

blackthroatedwind 03-06-2008 06:31 PM

It seems that they have changed gears and are now going to the Florida Derby. Dutrow offered the following quote to DRF......


"We got to thinkin' and drinkin' last night, and, by the time we were done, we decided the Florida Derby would be the best option," said Dutrow, who trains Big Brown for the IEAH Stables and Paul Pompa Jr.


After reading that I don't know why I don't have complete confidence in this horse moving forward.

Danzig 03-06-2008 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It seems that they have changed gears and are now going to the Florida Derby. Dutrow offered the following quote to DRF......


"We got to thinkin' and drinkin' last night, and, by the time we were done, we decided the Florida Derby would be the best option," said Dutrow, who trains Big Brown for the IEAH Stables and Paul Pompa Jr.


After reading that I don't know why I don't have complete confidence in this horse moving forward.

by the time they were done thinking, or by the time they were done drinking??

easy goer 03-06-2008 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
You guys are talking about TWO DIFFERENT HORSES. The top is referencing GIANT MOON, not BIG BROWN.

Easy Goer, wouldn't you take the time to know that? C'mon, you're better than that.

Sweet Tapdancingjeezus, I am out of my mind, I got too many threads open at once. ...:confused:

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-06-2008 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It seems that they have changed gears and are now going to the Florida Derby. Dutrow offered the following quote to DRF......


"We got to thinkin' and drinkin' last night, and, by the time we were done, we decided the Florida Derby would be the best option," said Dutrow, who trains Big Brown for the IEAH Stables and Paul Pompa Jr.


After reading that I don't know why I don't have complete confidence in this horse moving forward.

Best derby trail quote so far this year.

Cajungator26 03-06-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
No, it's only if they race each other.

It isn't who has been better so far. It is who is the more talented horse. When they meet up, who will win. What handicapper doesn't have to make decisions like this all the time?

How are you so certain that either one of them will win if they meet up? Doesn't a lot of that depend on what other horses are entered in the race and their running styles? Perhaps Big Brown and War Pass will burn themselves out, who knows. Furthermore, how can you handicap a race without having all of the information on the race itself?

Danzig 03-06-2008 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
How are you so certain that either one of them will win if they meet up? Doesn't a lot of that depend on what other horses are entered in the race and their running styles? Perhaps Big Brown and War Pass will burn themselves out, who knows. Furthermore, how can you handicap a race without having all of the information on the race itself?

videos.

philcski 03-06-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
you and i and ateam were on em in the maiden breaker..:D

So was Sightseek and Kelly. Martin and I had put together a big pick 6 ticket and we only included him on a backup ticket because Ateam talked us into him. I think we busted on the next leg. :o

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-07-2008 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
It's very possible this colt hits the frickin wall at a mile.. IMO more so then WP cant get 10f's..

Nothing wrong with an awesome miler Rosie...You maybe right about the horse and wrong about the course and distance...Maybe he is Lure 2?

I think the colt is very, very, very good, and I don't think he will have a problem with longer distances based on what he has done so far. I think he is more talented than War Pass. I think War Pass is also an exceptional individual, and I could be completely wrong about Big Brown, but it's just my prediction about who is going to end up being the better of the two at this point. They could both get injured and never meet up for all I know. Just my opinions....

The Bid 03-07-2008 03:23 AM

He beat a field of mediocre grass horses on the dirt. Lets not give him the Derby at this point. Hes certainly never ran with anything and wont like it when he does.

Danzig 03-07-2008 06:53 AM

might be tricky proving you're the number one three year old if you don't get to run in the derby....big brown, 2 starts, 2 wins. 0 graded earnings.

war pass, a dual gr 1 winner and eclipse champion. big brown better get cracking if he's going to prove how much more talented he is than the 2 yo champ and millionaire.

zippyneedsawin 03-07-2008 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
might be tricky proving you're the number one three year old if you don't get to run in the derby....big brown, 2 starts, 2 wins. 0 graded earnings.

war pass, a dual gr 1 winner and eclipse champion. big brown better get cracking if he's going to prove how much more talented he is than the 2 yo champ and millionaire.

Right, looks like he's got one shot at those earnings, if they're seriously trying to get him into the field.

ShadowRoll 03-07-2008 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It seems that they have changed gears and are now going to the Florida Derby. Dutrow offered the following quote to DRF......


"We got to thinkin' and drinkin' last night, and, by the time we were done, we decided the Florida Derby would be the best option," said Dutrow, who trains Big Brown for the IEAH Stables and Paul Pompa Jr.


After reading that I don't know why I don't have complete confidence in this horse moving forward.

Still, should be an interesting race to get BB's measure. Possibles include Elysium Fields, Tomcito and Hey Byrn.


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