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eurobounce 12-28-2006 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jfeld
Lukas MADE her a star. She was finished and he stepped up to the plate, laid those magic hands on her and turned her into the champion she became.

Azeri was a star way before Lukas got her.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 12-28-2006 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jfeld
Lukas MADE her a star. She was finished and he stepped up to the plate, laid those magic hands on her and turned her into the champion she became.

oh man, lol seems youve been paying numerous visits to mr dopeman if you truly believe what you just said. i think the horse was already a star LOL

GinaIsWild 12-28-2006 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
oh man, lol seems youve been paying numerous visits to mr dopeman if you truly believe what you just said. i think the horse was already a star LOL


How can you say that with a straight face? She was just another mane and tail until the master went to work and turned her around.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 12-28-2006 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jfeld
How can you say that with a straight face? She was just another mane and tail until the master went to work and turned her around.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GinaIsWild 12-28-2006 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It's true though.

blackthroatedwind 12-28-2006 11:42 AM

Actually Lukas did make Azeri a champion in the minds of many fans. Before he got her she ran two very similar campaigns and pretty much beat up on the same mediocre horses in one slow race after another. Lukas, on the other hand, ran her in tougher spots and brought her act to NY where she showed what she was really made of. She is another horse who's true mettle was defined in defeat with her exceptionally valiant effort in the 1 1/4 mile Personal Ensign.

I'm not Lukas's biggest fan by any stretch of the imagination but he was a trailblazer in this game and to deny that is lunacy.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 12-28-2006 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jfeld
It's true though.

lol are you saying this with a straight face?

eurobounce 12-28-2006 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jfeld
How can you say that with a straight face? She was just another mane and tail until the master went to work and turned her around.

I cant tell if you are joking or being serious. Lukas had her only to get her ready for the Breeders Cup Classic and that was after she won TWO eclipse awards.

blackthroatedwind 12-28-2006 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
I cant tell if you are joking or being serious. Lukas had her only to get her ready for the Breeders Cup Classic and that was after she won TWO eclipse awards.

I hope you are joking as this is absurd.

eurobounce 12-28-2006 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I hope you are joking as this is absurd.

What is absurd about it?

eurobounce 12-28-2006 11:47 AM

Lukas had her in the Apple Blossom and won just like she did the two previous years. She then lost 3 straight until she beat Sightseek. But what did he do that Laura didnt.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 12-28-2006 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jfeld
How can you say that with a straight face? She was just another mane and tail until the master went to work and turned her around.


im sorry but this is absolutely hilarious LMFAO! that post is worthy of the archives!

GinaIsWild 12-28-2006 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
What is absurd about it?


Lukas took a bowed horse that the previous trainer said was finished and turned her into a true champion. Denying that is just silly.

eurobounce 12-28-2006 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jfeld
Lukas took a bowed horse that the previous trainer said was finished and turned her into a true champion. Denying that is just silly.

Did she win the eclipse award when she was under Lukas?

Sightseek 12-28-2006 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Actually Lukas did make Azeri a champion in the minds of many fans. Before he got her she ran two very similar campaigns and pretty much beat up on the same mediocre horses in one slow race after another. Lukas, on the other hand, ran her in tougher spots and brought her act to NY where she showed what she was really made of. She is another horse who's true mettle was defined in defeat with her exceptionally valiant effort in the 1 1/4 mile Personal Ensign.

I'm not Lukas's biggest fan by any stretch of the imagination but he was a trailblazer in this game and to deny that is lunacy.

I personally liked the fact that he sent her to the BCC too. She made a good showing that day in my opinion, there were some good (and one excellent) colts in that race. Day made a really smart move at the start of the race coming out of the gate and got a great position with her.

estreetposse 12-28-2006 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jfeld
Lukas took a bowed horse that the previous trainer said was finished and turned her into a true champion. Denying that is just silly.

injuries aside, she was a good horse. But your making DWL to be the "Messiah" of horse racing b/c of this?

It's not like he took a 9 YO $2500 claimer from Penn National and won the Apple Blossom with her. The horse was talented before she was in his care, you can't deny that. So he took the horse and made her even better, great, awsome all the best to DWL.

but your comment about him being the best thing to happen to Thoroughbred Racing is lose. A lot of people paved the way to Thoroughbred Racing before DWL was even a spec on the map.

-bt-

GinaIsWild 12-28-2006 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Did she win the eclipse award when she was under Lukas?


It was a politically motivated backlash that prevented that from happening. A travesty of justice, which was so perverted that in the court of public opinion, the master Lukas and his mare were vindicated.

blackthroatedwind 12-28-2006 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I personally liked the fact that he sent her to the BCC too. She made a good showing that day in my opinion, there were some good (and one excellent) colts in that race. Day made a really smart move at the start of the race coming out of the gate and got a great position with her.


She did run well that race but it is hard for me to defend a trainer who runs any horse in a race it has no chance in. Plus, personally, I wish she had run in the Distaff, which she would have dominated, as I never liked Ashado and wish she had denied her a BC win.

But, Lukas ran her in the tough campaign that had previously eluded her, and absolutely did her reputation an enormous amount of good. It seems to me a win in the Apple Blossom, Go For Wand and Spinster, along with her terrific second in the Personal Ensign, shaped her best campaign ever. And, as was previously pointed out, after her previous trainer claimed she had bowed.

GinaIsWild 12-28-2006 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT-
injuries aside, she was a good horse. But your making DWL to be the "Messiah" of horse racing b/c of this?

It's not like he took a 9 YO $2500 claimer from Penn National and won the Apple Blossom with her. The horse was talented before she was in his care, you can't deny that. So he took the horse and made her even better, great, awsome all the best to DWL.

but your comment about him being the best thing to happen to Thoroughbred Racing is lose. A lot of people paved the way to Thoroughbred Racing before DWL was even a spec on the map.

-bt-

Like who ?

Rupert Pupkin 12-28-2006 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jfeld
Lukas took a bowed horse that the previous trainer said was finished and turned her into a true champion. Denying that is just silly.

The horse was not bowed. The horse did have some tendinitis in one of her tendons, but it wasn't that serious. I know that because one of my trainers uses one of the vets that examined her. The only thing the horse needed was a short break. The reason DeSeroux wanted to retire her was because she knew that she was about to get fired.

I was actually extremely critical of Paulson's son at the time. I couldn't believe that he was trying to bring Azeri back. Here is a horse who had won 9 graded stakes races in a row for him. She had won two Eclispe awards. I couldn't believe that he would try to bring her back when she has a bow and put her at risk. But then I totally changed my opinion when I found out that the horse wasn't bowed and that DeSeroux totally exaggerated the extent of the injury.


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