Where does that cash come from? Does it just magically appear? People like you want to raise taxes to give more money to the unemployed, yet how many dollars have to be collected to pay out a single dollar in benefits? The strange position is to continue to support extended benefits while also supporting higher taxes on the job creators.

Like I said, I was forced to use a Vet (it's illegal not to.) He charged over $1000 for keeping the dog about 7-8 hours. Fk him. Son Bitch can pay his tax. Goes for all these people that fix the market to make it illegal not to use them. Fk them. You act like they care about the common person with a problem. Bullshyt. They care about that plastic in ya wallet. I can't think of more deserving people to have their taxes raised.

The strawman thing is getting tired. You are not able to grasp that these factors are all interrelated which explains your lack of understanding of basic economic fundementals.

Raising taxes is hardly the path to a stronger economy yet you continue to advocate that.

You seem to think that the govt should extend unemployment benefits endlessly, now not because of moral reasons but because of its economic benefits? This is similar to your argument that food stamps are a fine source of economic stimulus as well.

Give me a break. Your idea that all spending is good spending regardless of where the money comes from is silly.

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What she doesnt seem to understand is that the $100 collected from you doesn't equal $100 in benefits. It is estimated that it needs to collect $115 in order to payout that same $100. That is a net loss to the economy. I understand the moral argument for extending benefits. The economic angle is just a smokescreen.

You overstate this depression angle. I said that the stimulus wouldnt work last spring. Not because I am some economic genius but because a huge portion of the package wasn't really stimulus or at least wasn't very effective stimulus. The $20 billion for food stamps for example.

Look at it this way. A baseball team pays a free agent pitcher way more than he is worth (say $20 million a year) and he performs to his usual level(3 million a year). Did the player offer some value to the teams success at the end of the year? Sure, he was slightly better than average, but he didn't give the team the 20 million they paid him worth. The money could have been better spent. That was the stimulus package. It helped a little but not nearly as much as it could have had the money been directed more towards actual stimulus and less towards social programs disguised as stimulus.

When ANY dollar spent can be described as "good for the economy" it isn't hard to make the arguments that the left and Riot make. The problem is that it does matter where that money comes from.

There is no response that i can think of that doesnt insult you or ask you to seek help...soon...

Well, anybody that doesn't agree with you is gunna be put in (or around) that boat.

Generally when vet expenses are the basis for your desire to raise taxes there is some sort of underlying issue. Maybe it is the Garvey thing?

Yea, I don't like people that try to get rich off sick animals. Especially when they make it illegal to use somebody else. I don't like that combo. They're greedy, and take advantage of nice people. I want their tax break to go away. Soon as possible.

Next time use www.calvetsupply.com or better yet order some antibiotics and needles now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...rss=rss_nation


tell me again how the stimulus 'worked'. we had four quarters of mild growth, but the money's spent, the latest jobs report sucked(as have the last few), and unemployment is projected to go right back to where it was. if not higher. now, in my mind, a stimulus working wouldn't have results we're seeing. a temporary jump in the right direction, followed by going right back to where we were, is not a fix at all. a bandaid to stop a hemorrhage perhaps. but the patient continues to bleed out anyway.

I am a broken record but every outsourced job and job filled by H1B holder is purchasing power lost which means less money pumped into our economy... This is a game of musical chairs. What is the solution ? I don't know something dramatic like a Put America back to work Tax on each and every job given to an H1B or done outside of the US applied directly to the deficit? How about an economic cap and trade where we are only allowed to purchase from Foriegn countries an amount that they purchase from us.. Protectionism??? We ****ing need it because Big Business certainly won't do what is in the best interest of the country..

it's obvious how to fix everything. get rid of filibustering so that the majority party (currently the dems) can push thru all their grand ideas. of course, when the dems are the minority at some point in the future, they'll rue the day they banned filibustering. but if they'd just get the meanies in the republican party to quit stifling all of obama and co's brilliant plans, we'd all be just fine. i mean, it's obvious that the founding fathers wanted the majority to have all the say, and the minority groups to have none, which is why i can't believe that our govt was set up the way it was.

How to fix everything.... How about allowing NO PRIVATE funding of political campaigns. Anyone found to be in violation does mandatory jail time. Special interests run this country....

http://www.slate.com/id/2276611/


A Joyless Jobless Report
Those dreadful new unemployment numbers are even worse than they look.
By Annie Lowrey
Posted Friday, Dec. 3, 2010, at 7:05 PM ET


one excerpt:

But the official government jobs report contradicts those numbers and came in far worse than even the most pessimistic economists' projections. Economists surveyed by Bloomberg News, for instance, forecast that payrolls would climb by 150,000, with guesses ranging from 75,000 new jobs to 200,000. Instead, the economy added about half of the lowest estimate.



The pace of the recovery is obviously not yet speeding up—in fact, the recovery has stalled out for the past nine months, with employers hesitant to hire, consumers hesitant to spend, and the government running out of bullets. Each month of bad data digs the hole left by the recession a bit deeper and increases the time it will take for the economy to return to normal. The difference between how many workers the economy should employ (given a lower, more normal unemployment rate) and how many it does employ stands at about 11.8 million workers.

Thank you GOP. You have proven beyond a doubt it's more important to you give unfunded tax cuts to those earning over $1 million dollars a year, than help the unemployed and the middle class.

And your debate style of insulting other posters while not providing any evidence whatsoever to back your own positions is laughable.

A guy who doesn't think unemployment dollars immediately helps the economy probably not ought to be lecturing others on "understanding basic economic fundamentals"

Why don't you find one that supports that rare position? Look in the WSJ.

The rural southern poor is overwhelmingly Republican. I wonder how they like the party they elected not extending their unemployment benefits?