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philcski 10-04-2010 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 703443)
Funny that she can be 11 for 11 at 1 1/16th, her connection keep choosing to run her that distance and yet somehow it is a weak distance for her...

Gary Stevens is easily amazed

"[insert horse name here] was the best horse I ever rode"

Cannon Shell 10-04-2010 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Theatrical (Post 703131)
The filly was tired. She didn't switch because she was "green" all of a sudden. Many horses swap their leads when they get tired. There's a couple of pictures up of both horses at the wire. Z's ears are straight up and Switch's are back. Switch ran a terrific race, but the pictures show who was well within themelves.

Freakin Mike Smith! Hitting that poor horse 10 times in the stretch when it was so clear that she was well within herself...

Cannon Shell 10-04-2010 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery (Post 703436)
While I am in no way comparing her to Secretariat or Fager, it is noteworthy that Sec ran on the other " different surface " of that time exactly as many times as Z did, and Fager half that ...

Unless you consider a third surface that was in brief use in that era somewhere on the eastern leaky roof circuit--pea gravel .

I know you probably don't but do you realize that Dr fager and Secretariat dominated the best turf horses in training in those races? And while you personally may not have used these two horses in particular by name, if you want to call Zenyatta an all time great be prepared to be compared to those which actually belong in that class.

Cannon Shell 10-04-2010 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 703432)
A more taxing campaign might've emptied the tank too much.

I think John has her right where he wants her.


By the way, think you meant 'superior' surface…

Of course. The path of least resistance has been taken by many all time great horses in the past. I will list them below:

prudery 10-04-2010 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 703461)
I know you probably don't but do you realize that Dr fager and Secretariat dominated the best turf horses in training in those races? And while you personally may not have used these two horses in particular by name, if you want to call Zenyatta an all time great be prepared to be compared to those which actually belong in that class.

I think Kennedy Road and Advocator will have some comparable dirt horses in the Classic for Z to run at ....

And though Fager beat him, he only hung about a head on Advocator, rather than dominating him . Nerud said he disliked the turf, so that may or may not be factored in .

Prepared, sir ...

blackthroatedwind 10-04-2010 10:32 PM

Not that prepared....

Tentam.

prudery 10-04-2010 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 703465)
Not that prepared....

Tentam.

Him too ...

Knew you'd be in for a cameo--I'd do the same myself ...

Cannon Shell 10-04-2010 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery (Post 703463)
I think Kennedy Road and Advocator will have some comparable dirt horses in the Classic for Z to run at ....

And though Fager beat him, he only hung about a head on Advocator, rather than dominating him . Nerud said he disliked the turf, so that may or may not be factored in .

Prepared, sir ...

Tentam was a well beaten second to Secretariat in the Man O War. That year he won:
The Met Mile (Gr1)
The UN Handicap (Gr1) (at the time comparable to the Arlington Million is now)
The Governors stakes (Gr1) (track record) Race at Belmont since discontinued
The Bernard Baruch (Gr2)
The Tobboggan

Zenyatta beat Switch

Dr Fager beat not only Advocator who was a very good horse but the 3 time grass champion and Hall of Famer, Ft Marcy as well. Carrying 134 pounds.

Zenyatta beat who?

prudery 10-04-2010 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 703471)
Tentam was a well beaten second to Secretariat in the Man O War. That year he won:
The Met Mile (Gr1)
The UN Handicap (Gr1) (at the time comparable to the Arlington Million is now)
The Governors stakes (Gr1) (track record) Race at Belmont since discontinued
The Bernard Baruch (Gr2)
The Tobboggan

Zenyatta beat Switch

Dr Fager beat not only Advocator who was a very good horse but the 3 time grass champion and Hall of Famer, Ft Marcy as well. Carrying 134 pounds.

Zenyatta beat who?

She will face the best we have at present--arguably--in the Classic --if she beats them all, you will know who ...

Nothing like the past, and out of the safety zone only twice--I agree .

As you know, yesterday's horses carried more, did more and tried more ...

Wish it weren't so ...

DaTruth 10-04-2010 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 703471)
Tentam was a well beaten second to Secretariat in the Man O War. That year he won:
The Met Mile (Gr1)
The UN Handicap (Gr1) (at the time comparable to the Arlington Million is now)
The Governors stakes (Gr1) (track record) Race at Belmont since discontinued
The Bernard Baruch (Gr2)
The Tobboggan

Zenyatta beat Switch

Dr Fager beat not only Advocator who was a very good horse but the 3 time grass champion and Hall of Famer, Ft Marcy as well. Carrying 134 pounds.

Zenyatta beat who?

Secretariat also beat Big Spruce, who won the San Luis Rey and finished second to Dahlia in the D.C. International that year.

Revidere 10-05-2010 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 703483)
Secretariat also beat Big Spruce, who won the San Luis Rey and finished second to Dahlia in the D.C. International that year.

But he couldn't win races that started with the letter "W"

the_fat_man 10-05-2010 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 703451)
Freakin Mike Smith! Hitting that poor horse 10 times in the stretch when it was so clear that she was well within herself...

Really? She's now supposed to win without having the use of the whip? She's supposed to run down a horse, that had gotten just about the best possible trip imaginable, EASILY? Is that where we are with Z now?

What other horses are held to similar standards?

blackthroatedwind 10-05-2010 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 703523)
Really? She's now supposed to win without having the use of the whip? She's supposed to run down a horse, that had gotten just about the best possible trip imaginable, EASILY? Is that where we are with Z now?

What other horses are held to similar standards?

You've become so badly brainwashed that you actually took that post seriously.

God is that sad.

philcski 10-05-2010 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 703451)
Freakin Mike Smith! Hitting that poor horse 10 times in the stretch when it was so clear that she was well within herself...

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 703523)
Really? She's now supposed to win without having the use of the whip? She's supposed to run down a horse, that had gotten just about the best possible trip imaginable, EASILY? Is that where we are with Z now?

What other horses are held to similar standards?

Sarcasm alert

10 pnt move up 10-05-2010 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 703438)
Are you seriously offering up her age as an excuse as to why she will lose?

You lose... you lose, it happens.

I know I dont walk and breath around horses like you do but you can take this as a fact and it aint no guess, she is not quite as good as last year. I suspect its the age, maybe its the feed, who the **** knows.

I still say she jogs if all she has to beat is what ran last weekend, I have seen little that has impressed me this season.

Cannon Shell 10-05-2010 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 703598)
You lose... you lose, it happens.

I know I dont walk and breath around horses like you do but you can take this as a fact and it aint no guess, she is not quite as good as last year. I suspect its the age, maybe its the feed, who the **** knows.

I still say she jogs if all she has to beat is what ran last weekend, I have seen little that has impressed me this season.

While she may not be as good as she was last year (who can tell?), being 6 as opposed to 5 or 7 shouldnt really matter. And i don't know what your version of jogged is but she is going to have to be a whole lot better than she was last weekend to win the Classic.

miraja2 10-05-2010 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 703631)
she is going to have to be a whole lot better than she was last weekend to win the Classic.

I really hope so.

I hope she either takes a huge step forward, runs a 120 BSF out of nowhere and beats the field by 8-10 lengths.....OR......runs the way she did on Saturday, (and most days) and finishes a well-beaten 5th.

The one thing I really hope does NOT happen is that the race goes like this:

1) A speed battle develops early wiping out the frontrunners.....
2) Blame and QR really end up just not wanting 10f.....
3) Lookin at Lucky is not 100% or finds some of the traffic that he has in the past.....


and so.....Zenyatta chugs up to win by a nose, running what should be a 95 BSF....and then gets hailed as the greatest athlete in the history of the universe.

philcski 10-05-2010 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 703643)
I really hope so.

I hope she either takes a huge step forward, runs a 120 BSF out of nowhere and beats the field by 8-10 lengths.....OR......runs the way she did on Saturday, (and most days) and finishes a well-beaten 5th.

The one thing I really hope does NOT happen is that the race goes like this:

1) A speed battle develops early wiping out the frontrunners.....
2) Blame and QR really end up just not wanting 10f.....
3) Lookin at Lucky is not 100% or finds some of the traffic that he has in the past.....


and so.....Zenyatta chugs up to win by a nose, running what should be a 95 BSF....and then gets hailed as the greatest athlete in the history of the universe.

I like this thought process.

RockHardTen1985 10-05-2010 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 702880)
Nice looking animal … but not sure what was so impressive about the NY-bred yesterday.

Allowed to run by himself thru slow early splits

Yeah, that was awesome.

He'll probably turn back into FC at CD…

Nothing impressive at all. Paceless race, leads to this... Nothing more.

alysheba4 10-05-2010 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 703530)
You've become so badly brainwashed that you actually took that post seriously.

God is that sad.

......i hope zen scratches so this b.s continues another year;)


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