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CSC 06-01-2009 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
I'm not too crazy about Summer Bird.

I hope this is the majority in that opinion. I see no reason to retrack now after his final major work Sat, I love his chances.

Sightseek 06-01-2009 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
I hope this is the majority in that opinion. I see no reason to retrack now after his final major work Sat, I love his chances.

They are adding blinkers for the Belmont.

Kasept 06-01-2009 01:26 PM

Field virtually set now for Belmont... Nowhere to Hide won't run.


1. Brave Victory
Nick Zito
Rajiv Maragh
Robert V. LaPenta

2. Charitable Man
Kiaran McLaughlin
Alan Garcia
Mr. & Mrs. William K. Warren Jr.

3. Chocolate Candy
Jerry Hollendorfer
Garrett Gomez
Craig Family Trust

4. Dunkirk
Todd Pletcher
John Velazquez
Mrs. John Magnier, Michael Tabor, & Derrick Smith

5. Flying Private
D. Wayne Lukas
Julien Leparoux
Robert C. Baker & William L. Mack

6. Luv Gov
D.Wayne Lukas
Miguel Mena
Marylou Whitney Stables

7. Miner’s Escape
Nick Zito
Jose Lezcano
Robert V. LaPenta

8. Mine That Bird
Chip Woolley
Calvin Borel
Double Eagle Ranch & Buena Suerte Equine

9. Mr. Hot Stuff
Eoin Harty
Edgar Prado
WinStar Farm LLC

10. Summer Bird
Tim Ice
Kent Desormeaux
Kalarikkal & Vilasini Jayaraman

Bobby Fischer 06-01-2009 02:09 PM

Borel seems to have put another tremendous form-building work into a horse before a big triple crown race.
13.80 12.80 11.8 11.3 GLP12.5

Indian Charlie 06-01-2009 03:25 PM

Wow, only six no hopers in the field? That's pretty strong!

The Indomitable DrugS 06-01-2009 03:30 PM

Six?

That looks like ten no hopers to me.

slotdirt 06-01-2009 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Six?

That's looks like ten no hopers to me.

I don't know, don't you think Charitable Man has at least a lick of talent?

Bobby Fischer 06-01-2009 03:31 PM

"doh"!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus
Yes, he should get all the credit for the workout.

I knew there was no reason to click the "view post" link, but i did it anyway

Bobby Fischer 06-01-2009 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
I don't know, don't you think Charitable Man has at least a lick of talent?

Charitable Man and Dunkirk look like the two best, but Mine That Bird has a chance as well.

Chocolate Candy and Summer Bird could each round out a tri or even the exacta, but they would be more a surprise to win.

Not that bad of a field overall

NTamm1215 06-01-2009 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
I don't know, don't you think Charitable Man has at least a lick of talent?

I think Charitable Man has done nothing thus far to lead anyone to believe he's a good horse. That includes earning a 98 Beyer figure in one of the all-time perfect trips.

NT

slotdirt 06-01-2009 03:36 PM

I thought the horse looked like he could run during his juvenile season, and am not ready to dismiss him quite yet.

JerseyJ 06-01-2009 03:48 PM

The only horses in here who have even run a race fast enough to win this race are Dunkirk, Mine That Bird, and Flying Private as none of the others have ever eclipsed 100 on the beyer scale. Because of that, I think those three are the horses to use in the race. Charitable Man is a paper tiger fraud who looks great off of the perfect trip win of the century, where after that perfect trip he still came home in around 13 seconds for the final 1/8th of a mile. I don't think he wants any part of 1 1/2. Chocolate Candy has never run a fast race nor has he ever really ran that good of a race, and no races out in California to total mediocrity Pioneerof the Nile don't count as good races. Finally, I don't really see anything in Summer Bird. He ran ok in his first two starts, but his Arkansas Derby was severly pace aided, and he had a great trip that day compared to Flying Private who tripped out much worse that day in the Arkansas Derby. I just don't see Summer Bird at all.

Hickory Hill Hoff 06-01-2009 03:54 PM

Can we get 3-1 or better on Dunkirk?

Bobby Fischer 06-01-2009 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyJ
Charitable Man is a paper tiger fraud who looks great off of the perfect trip win of the century, where after that perfect trip he still came home in around 13 seconds for the final 1/8th of a mile.

12.77 home, and He went 94.36 to the mile...

tough crowd

letswastemoney 06-01-2009 05:32 PM

Will Dunkirk be able to get 1.5 miles??

letswastemoney 06-01-2009 05:36 PM

I know breeding doesn't matter once horses have established form but...

none of the horses in the race have went this far, so there is no form for 1 1/2 miles to go on. I trust a son of Birdstone more than one by Unbridled's Song going this distance.

Danzig 06-01-2009 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
I know breeding doesn't matter once horses have established form but...

none of the horses in the race have went this far, so there is no form for 1 1/2 miles to go on. I trust a son of Birdstone more than one by Unbridled's Song going this distance.

after watching a son of yonaguska hit the board in both classics thus far, you sure you want to go by pedigree?

CSC 06-01-2009 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
They are adding blinkers for the Belmont.

This could turn out to be a key equipment change, he has a tendency of falling back in races, this will give the jockey alot more options, supposing the jockey chooses correctly he can be alot closer to pace than he was in his previous races as the pace dictates.

the_fat_man 06-01-2009 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyJ
Finally, I don't really see anything in Summer Bird. He ran ok in his first two starts, but his Arkansas Derby was severly pace aided, and he had a great trip that day compared to Flying Private who tripped out much worse that day in the Arkansas Derby. I just don't see Summer Bird at all.

Not saying I don't buy this but I'm too lazy to watch the replay of the AD. Maybe you can help me out by explaining how FP's trip was "much worse' than SB's.


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