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B. C. on poly proves nothing in my book.

yep

so, they've bought into three horses, paying out oodles of money. that's gotten them no oaks runner, and now, no derby starters either.
they need to re-think their strategic plan.

RA was flattered today by Afleet Deceit (who RA defeated soundly on several occasions at OP).
Today Afleet Deceit won the Double Delta at AP by two, finishing over 5 lengths in front of Ashland winner Hooh Why.

.... would have whipped some a$$ in the Derby.

On the tgraph rotw Oaks/Derby seminar Dr. Brown said he was asked to identify a filly for purchase last year . It was Rachel Alexandra and the party did buy 50 % but failed to pay Brown his commission, he claims . He hopes that is settled in the Ky. courts.

They might be called to testify in that case .

His 3yo return race might have been my favorite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSo-M...eature=related

When he broke with the field and starting dropping out of it I remember saying "damn.. he's ruined."

His debut race as a 2yo was great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWklJ...eature=related

Do I really have to give you an answer for you to understand? You really want me to...Okay then, think of Roger Clemons before the steroids scandal, and now think of him after the scandal. Notice any difference of your thoughts towards him?

Are you trying to say that Ghostzapper's career has something to do with Frankel's usage of drugs on his horses? If so, I think you're absolutely dead wrong.

NT

GZ would probably been a very good racehorse regardless if he was on anything or not, just as Roger was a very good pitcher before he his physique began noticably changing. Then he became even better, wonder why... I hate to generalize but back in those days Frankel horses would win with bad trips, good trips, peculiar trips, I know I bet him quite often to some success. I'm not sure why you think I am dead wrong, if so I am interested why you think so.

I wasn't comparing it to SECRETARIAT. I was asking if it could be the female version of his race. Regardless of what was behind her I can't remember a race won by a filly or mare by that margin and ease.

First of all, you're equating two things that are incredibly different. Roger Clemens' alleged HGH usage and you accusing Frankel of using steroids (i think) are pretty different.

Frankel had a great run in the early part of this decade because he had excellent horses. Having Edmund Gann's business was strong, he was getting good horses from Juddmonte left and right and Stronach basically gave him everything that could run.

He has since fallen on hard(er) times but to try to soil a horse like Ghostzapper's record because you suppose Frankel was using steroids on him is unfair. It takes away from a horse who despite a wealth of physical problems, accomplished many incredible feats and brought his best every time he ran.

Most of all, I think you're wrong because of your complete generalization. You seem to remember Frankel horses winning with all kinds of trips, and now you don't, so I guess he was using. Those just aren't steps I have in my way of thinking.

NT

It does for me, You don't think he has talented horses in his stable right now? We saw 2 just yesterday in Visit and Zambezi Sun. You'll probably say it is a generalization but there was a time when Frankel entered in a stakes race, regardless of trip, class jump, layoff you would most likely find him in the winner's circle.