Umm thats what I keep thinking but I look at it this way, he will be this years "wiseguy" horse and take tons of money and finish mid pack and inflate the odds of horses I like!! :D

My bad your right....it was the 20 hole that had him being looked at as an impossible to win. The hole was no big deal.....the Belmont....well that was a very different story wasn't it

lets do a head to head bet

I'll take Dunkirk, and you can choose any other horse in the race (this only happens if Dunkirk actually races in the KY Derby)

the bet is just based on where Dunkirk finished compared to where the horse you pick finished.

Loser has to buy the beers when you come to central Florida.

To be fair, you might want to point out just how many beers you can drink. :D

:D

How many beers I drink will have to depend on who wins this bet LOL

i don't drink beer. but i'll be happy to buy you a few when we get down there in july.

i don't have a derby pick as yet.

:D You can wait til the day of the race to pick yours....

I'm going with Dunkirk... but obviously this bet is non existant if Dunkirk doesnt run in the race.

And you can drink whatever you want!! I just like these kind of side bets, especially when someone really doesnt seem to care for a horse that I really like

(I bet Cajun the other year the Curlin would finish ahead Scat Daddy... and that Bernardini would beat Perfect Drift in the BC Classic a few years ago...
damn Cajun those were some bad picks you had!)

oh, SNAP! cue Cajun in 3,2,1...

and yes, trusty can put back a lot of beers, a lot more than me!

And the Saints over the Bears in the playoffs a couple years back...basically Jamie's picks are better than Hank Goldberg's at finding runners and teams to immediately toss out :)

honestly, i'd rather someone (maybe you?) would explain to me what i'm missing about the horse. he's talented, no doubt. i just don't think he's quite ready for the deep end of the pool yet. he still has his floaties on. :D

an easy FTFY would be ANYONE'S picks are better.

yet, he's still on t.v. go figure.

Only I said they were better for finding horses to toss....so effectively saying they are worse :)

I really dont know LOL.

Its just a gamble to me. His move in the FL Derby reminded me of Monarcho's. Right after Monarcho's won the FL Derby I said "that horse is winning the KY Derby". Of course, he then ran 2nd in the Wood, and I jumped on board with some Goldophin horse (Express tour I believe), and wanted to kick myself after Monarcho's won so well...

I just thought his move was real nice, and I think there will be a solid pace for a horse with Dunkirks' style to take advantage of. I think the front runners will burn each other out.

I just like him thats all... as of now he's my choice to win it all. He really impressed me in the FL Derby.

the only time i watched a horse run and win his prep and said emphatically that i had just seen the derby winner was smarty jones.

hey, i know i could be completely offbase about dunkirk and he could prove me wrong-i can live with that. i just hope i enjoy this years derby more than last years. that one was the worst ever. anything has to be an improvement.

For those of you that have access to DRF Plus, there is an excellent article today by James Quinn called Derby Contender Short List.

In the article, Mr. Quinn indicates that Quality Road has by far the best speed and pace figures (even much better than IWR). The article also compares Dunkirk's speed and pace figures to Big Brown and concludes that Dunkirk represents no match and is a poor comparison to Big Brown, who had a spectacular 2-year old race.

Also, Mr. Quinn indicates that Quality Road should be able to hold off Dunkirk again unless Dunkirk possesses a significant class edge based on his breeding.

Garret Gomez...

Assuming both horses stay healthy,
who does he ride? Has his agent made
a statement?

I realize its early but a problem looms.

I'm saying that finishing second in the Florida Derby is not a guarantee that the horse is of sterling quality. More data is required.

Ron Anderson told Haskin earlier Monday that from his standpoint, it's the toughest call he's had to make in his career. Believe he said he will finalize a decision by next Wednesday.

Is this supposed to make sense?

he made a lot of sense until that ridiculous gem.