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I don't think Curlin or Big Brown were as effective after being removed from the steroids . Pletcher's record indicates the pressure is on him to stay clean . If racing ever gets on top of the doping it will level the playing field . Maybe that's a better way to put it .

You need to write for Letterman.
Dave is not having fun anymore.
His material is unexciting... for him.

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Oh, please. You think most of what has been said on here regarding Pletcher's record and horses is "astute"?

I think most of it has the depth of considered analysis consistent with the average high-school student.

And the only thing you guys can come up with for a change in trainer performance over a few years is drugs?

Excuse me while I split a gut pealing over with laughter :p

I need a good straight man like Sumitas and Kasept throwing me lines

How about Spencer?

I laughed

Pletchers downfall started right about when Presque Isle opened up, right?

Coincidence??????

I think this makes a lot of sense Riot!

For the record Todd Pletcher has already been suspended for 45 days by N.Y stewards for one of his horse's testing positive for mepivacaine, an anesthetic that has "a high potential to affect performance." in a race he won at Saratoga in 2004. Biancone, Dutrow, Lake and Asmussen are others that have all served notable suspensions(30 days to 1 year). I'll leave it up to each and every individual here to come up with their own conclusions who juices and who doesn't.

That's just mean and crazy talk man!

Until TP comes out and announces to the world that he is a juicer, I refuse to believe that it's even possible!

I refuse!!

No! No! No! No! NO!

Lalalalalalalala. I can't hearrrr youuuu!

I guess you could just re-read my previous post.

But the tiny level found in Pletcher's horse wasn't enough to be able to affect performance. Today that same level is an allowable level under NY racing rules. See post 57.

Todd Pletcher could possibly be the biggest juicer in the business. But, as the guy has a completely inconsequential drug record to date, I'll reserve awarding him that title until he earns it.

Other trainers are currently far, far more deserving.

I just did and now I have a sudden urge to bet every offspring of Giant's Causeway.

Thanks.

I laughed.

OOOOOOOOOO

Golf clap..

Since the number of G1's is a limited sample size, you can argue that part of it is coincidence but I think his overall statistics (graded stakes, maiden, anything) is definitely NOT coincidence.

While I generally agree that Pletchers horses seem to be mortal once again the graded wins numbers are pretty circumstantial. I have often said here that judging "juicers" on the times they are caught is not really that accurate of a measure. A really good burgler who doesnt get caught is still a criminal.