Originally Posted by Mike

fpsoxfan, I think they have been tightening up on the welfare system, I may be wrong.
Many people like to throw welfare out as the big problem, I don't think it ias bad as the SSI, mental disability system. Many, many able bodied young Americans are getting set up for SSI for the rest of their lives. Able bodied, and no more mentally ill than the average burnout. I know mental illness, I've worked with the mentally ill all of my life. There certainly are a lot of people who are mentally disabled and can't really keep a job in society. But, what I'm seeing is a very large % of the newer SSI recipients not mentally ill in the traditional sense(before the drug companies had a new pill for every emotional imperfection), they are low functioning, undisciplined, unmotivated and,dare I say it, lazy. And here where I live, they're all white.
What ever happened to shame?

Originally Posted by Riot

Seriously, I think McCain and anybody not Palin would have made a darn close run of it.

The interesting poll number for me - and a huge help to McCain's losing - are the numbers of Republicans who stayed home and chose to not vote for anybody.

Originally Posted by Scav

Relax, this has nothing to do with rights. What I was trying to say is why would McCain choose a woman when he she know that woman hate other woman. This is a fact, perfect example, other day, I am out with my friends, and the girls we hang with, the waitress starts to talk nice to a friend of mine, and the girls we are with start 'hating' on her the 2nd she leaves. All because of a simple conversation about his shirt and hat.

Woman mark their territory and fiercly protect it, animal instincts. They are like this with their kids, their husbands until the husbands pisses them off too many times, and their accomplishments. You guys might not realize you do it, but you do it. We even call the one girl we hang with, "Queen Hater" because she hates ANY girl that we talk to. FACT.

For a woman to become president, which will happen in my lifetime, she will have to be eased into the limelight and probably be in it for years. It won't be an Obama type movement where he went from nobody to President in 10 years.

Originally Posted by ddthetide

i respectfully hate to tell you, you're wrong. i have to deal with welfare recipients everyday. the madden thing is they, feel they are entitled to it!
we had a woman yesterday, that we cut her electric for non-payment. (CONP) about 3 weeks ago (and she's a regular). the bill + reconnection + deposit was almost $1000. she walks up the street to dept. of social services. DSS pays the ENTIRE bill. now 3 weeks later this woman is arguing to the point of being thrown out of city hall, that she is ENTITLED to get the deposit, 50 some odd $ + interest back! which she never paid one penny of. "no that goes back to the state". i could tell you 5-10 of these stories (or worse) everyday. i cut electric off yesterday on both sides of a double house while both sides were being (rental prop.) evicted. both sets of people sat in lawn chairs in the driveway drinking beer, smoking cigs and watching they're stuff set out on the street! :wf

Originally Posted by Mike

Hillary might be offered something in an Obama admin(I doubt it). If she is offered something substantial she could take it and already be there if something happens to Obama. Biden will take over as President, but wouldn't he then pick his VP, which cloud well be Clinton?. Then Biden has an anuerism and she's in.

Or she could stay away from the Obama admin, and run 4 years from now against President Biden in the 2012 election

Are there any special rules if Obama is slain before inauguration day? Does Biden just step in? I assume he does safter the inauguration, I just wasn't sure what would happen if Obama does not make it into 2009

Originally Posted by Mike

fpsoxfan, I think they have been tightening up on the welfare system, I may be wrong.
Many people like to throw welfare out as the big problem, I don't think it ias bad as the SSI, mental disability system. Many, many able bodied young Americans are getting set up for SSI for the rest of their lives. Able bodied, and no more mentally ill than the average burnout. I know mental illness, I've worked with the mentally ill all of my life. There certainly are a lot of people who are mentally disabled and can't really keep a job in society. But, what I'm seeing is a very large % of the newer SSI recipients not mentally ill in the traditional sense(before the drug companies had a new pill for every emotional imperfection), they are low functioning, undisciplined, unmotivated and,dare I say it, lazy. And here where I live, they're all white.
What ever happened to shame?

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Welfare/Social programs for the truly needy are clearly the honorable and righteous way to go.....manageing these programs such that the freeloaders are not afforded these benefits is apparently a near impossibility....imho the people that pay for these programs (the taxpayers) are generally not opposed to helping those in need... they are however frustrated and upset with having to incur the cost of supporting the otherwise "able-bodied/lazy/undeserving" freeloaders...
There are some who are cleary deserving of these many programs.....there are some who are only marginally deserving of these programs.....and there are some who are inappropriately milking the system....more effectively addressing the "milkers" would imho go a long ways towards reducing the frustrations of the people that pay for these programs....the problem of course is...Who is it that gets to decide if someone is clearly deserving, marginally deserving, or undeserving??????

Originally Posted by Mike

Who shows up for most of the welfare recipients you see, men or women? From what I see, at the bottom of the socio-economic scale, men don't take part in the meetings, or any community service requirements that their might be for low income/disability services

What I've always said about a ton of welfare/faked disability recipients is, "They've always got plenty of money for cigarettes and a cell phone"

Originally Posted by ddthetide

Here, it's about equal, though more of the men are "disabled". in Md. they just walk up the street to DSS and if they meet some requirments they had them $$$ to pay thier energy bills. no community service, no meetings, nothing.

there is a girl on our system that has gotten OVER $5000 THIS Year alone to pay her electric bills. 7 children with 5 different men and pregnent with #8 ! does not work at all. i've been in this job 5 years full-time, as close as we could figure this girl has gotten OVER $20,000! just in my time. DSS keeps paying because "the chidren can't be without electric". where does it stop?
the old people are the ones i feel sorry for. we do all we can to help them. MOST of them WON'T go get help or Don't know where to go for help. the young ones are Trash! they know (or think they know) the system as well or better than we do....... it drives me crazy because i'm a "piece sh*t" or "racist" for doin MY JOB !

Originally Posted by Mike

Mr(Ms.?) estreet, in case you haven't noticed, we don't care for that kind of personal attack around here. This is a civil forum

Originally Posted by Scav

Relax, this has nothing to do with rights. What I was trying to say is why would McCain choose a woman when he she know that woman hate other woman. This is a fact, perfect example, other day, I am out with my friends, and the girls we hang with, the waitress starts to talk nice to a friend of mine, and the girls we are with start 'hating' on her the 2nd she leaves. All because of a simple conversation about his shirt and hat.

Woman mark their territory and fiercly protect it, animal instincts.

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, you're right, I didn't think the act of registering nonexistent voters alone was a crime, and it is (and in the case you cite, charges were dropped and replaced with a fine and increased oversite requirements by the organization as the registration fraud was done by individuals hired by the org. to make money, not stuff ballot boxes with fake votes).

What I was thinking of was that while there have been lots of accusations of ACORN voting fraud over the past two months (such as the joke you made to Scav about ACORN registering and voting in his name) those accusations have been false regarding the voting fraud, as there has never been a case of ACORN being accused of or involved in voting fraud (a vote actually being cast via a false registration).