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dalakhani 09-28-2008 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Please quit skirting the question.
I have given you some of what I believe.
Again:
Please explain how JEWISH RELIGIOUS BELIEFS irked Hitler enough for him to cook up the final solution. Please answre the question. You said the Jews were persecuted because of their RELIGION. Religion as I know it is characterized by certain beliefs about the creator, how to go to heaven... etcc... Please do this.

LOL. Poor Pgardn. Are you trying to change the argument? 7th grade debate rears its ugly head.

You already lost pal. Come up with something new.

Honu 09-28-2008 04:15 PM

What pissed Hitler off was that after WW1 Gremany as a whole was a depressed place , except for the buisness smart Jewish folks who were educated and more buisness savvy than the rest of the tired broken down war vets . He saw the Jews (even if you just had a Jewish great great grandparent you were considered a Jew) as the one's taking money , jobs and food out of the German people's pockets and mouths. It was his only stance , his only platform to make himself a leader , he had to create a hatred of something or someone to get the people going.The Jews were an easy target , they had money , they owned business's , and they for the most part were doing the most good and he pounced on the chance that he could get the German people to revolt against them. It didnt matter if you were a practicing Jew or not you were a target , if you owned a buisness or appeared to have money weather you were 1/8 Jew or 100% you were to be hated.
I really think it didnt matter that they only believed in God and not Jesus , or if they were a Catholic Jew , it just mattered that you had Jew in you and it was Hitlers only way to become leader was to get the German people to hate them , which he did.

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
How about if i bought you some crayons and a new coloring book?

Send 'em to Hossy...he'll appreciate them

Danzig 09-28-2008 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Danzig brought up Hitlers' interest in the Occult, not I.

this is incorrect. someone else said hitler was into satanism, and i called that into question.

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 04:19 PM

Hey banker-boy and Horsey: Honu just earned hisself 20 bucks for that post!:D

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
this is incorrect. someone else said hitler was into satanism, and i called that into question.

As you wish, my dear Ziggy, you did mention the Thule Society,though.

Danzig 09-28-2008 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
As you wish, my dear Ziggy, you did mention the Thule Society,though.

sure didn't.

from post #192 in 'world wants obama' thread, written by timmi:


"If you get your head outta DailyKos you might find out that Hitler was into Satanism and was trying to create his Master race, thereby needing to cleanse his country from any mixed blood from Jewish, Polish and other lesser
citizens that didn't meet with their criteria....you could look it up"

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
sure didn't.

from post #192 in 'world wants obama' thread, written by timmi:


"If you get your head outta DailyKos you might find out that Hitler was into Satanism and was trying to create his Master race, thereby needing to cleanse his country from any mixed blood from Jewish, Polish and other lesser
citizens that didn't meet with their criteria....you could look it up"

Yes I did say Satanism, and not the Occult..most don't know the diff. If you didn't mention the Thule Society(from the books you pulled down off the shelf) then I apologize profusely.

Danzig 09-28-2008 04:28 PM

"Amongst many of the stories that go with Adolph Hitler is that he was involved in a secret satanist society called the thule group"

post #262, by dalakhani, in the same 'world wants obama' thread. i remember the discussion, so i went back and looked it up to make sure i was remembering correctly that it was others who made those comments.

Mortimer 09-28-2008 04:29 PM

Not to pretend to be smarter than The Teacher and the Doorknob ( make a great book title)..but you are quite wrong, Dala.



The Jewish people were put into horrifying conditions because they all had ,as very bad luck would have , a common flaw in Hitlers eyes.The odds on this are tremendous..ie...that millions of people who were of one religion and way of life would all display the same Hitlerthink flaw.



But it had absolutely nothing to do with religious belief.

Danzig 09-28-2008 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Yes I did say Satanism, and not the Occult..most don't know the diff. If you didn't mention the Thule Society(from the books you pulled down off the shelf) then I apologize profusely.

i looked thru the books on my shelf, and as i posted then, there was no mention of occult, satanism, thule, or anything else in that vein.

Danzig 09-28-2008 04:32 PM

i may be incorrect, or oversimplifying, but isn't what makes a person jewish their religious belief? i don't see how you can say that hitlers annihilation of so many jews had nothing to do with their religion. doesn't it have everything to do with it? down thru the centuries, many countries at one point or another expelled their jewish citizens, or encouraged much worse. the group as a whole always seemed an easy target, a scapegoat for whatever ailed the populace as a whole.

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i looked thru the books on my shelf, and as i posted then, there was no mention of occult, satanism, thule, or anything else in that vein.

Like I said..sorry to draw you into this...obviously it's banker-boys' fault.

Danzig 09-28-2008 04:36 PM

no biggie.

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i may be incorrect, or oversimplifying, but isn't what makes a person jewish their religious belief? i don't see how you can say that hitlers annihilation of so many jews had nothing to do with their religion. doesn't it have everything to do with it? down thru the centuries, many countries at one point or another expelled their jewish citizens, or encouraged much worse. the group as a whole always seemed an easy target, a scapegoat for whatever ailed the populace as a whole.

It is simplistic, and incorrect! The Jews,downtrodden and besmirched as they are, have a knack for being shrewd business people. It brings them much harrassment and the vitrol spewed at their race has nothing to do with their religion. For example..they don't recruit....Christians,Mormon,JW's,Islam all do. Their religion, and their culture is almost inclusive(like Amish) but they will always have a tourist shop.:)

pgardn 09-28-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
LOL. Poor Pgardn. Are you trying to change the argument? 7th grade debate rears its ugly head.

You already lost pal. Come up with something new.

Ok.
I see you in a whole new light.

You refuse to answer the question.

I will lay it out clearly:

1. The Jews were not persecuted because of their religious beliefs.
2. They were persecuted due to numerous social factors one of the major being that they were actually living fairly well in a severely depressed Germany. They were easy targets as they did not resist. And they could be used as scapegoats because "they had all the money" while Germans lived poorly. A mostly innaccurate assessment. The Germans rid the Jews of their business and money as retribution. They did not nail them to crosses. They stole their gold teeth.

What the hell is a religious belief Dalkani? What dont you get?


You are just wrong.
I dont know what more to say.
Go read some history.
At first I thought it was mere semantics but its not.

I know you are understanding what I am trying to say
because you are not dumb. But you are very, very disingenuious.

Danzig 09-28-2008 04:49 PM

their 'knack' as you call it for business....i would call that a bit of a stereotype. for years and years-centuries really, back to the middle ages, they had no venue opened to them for business, with many turning to money- lending as most other trades were illegal for jews. so, along with getting harrassed for their religion, they were attacked for usury, and by those who owed them money-or by those who knew they had money, else how could they lend it?
but what it all boils down to, all these centuries, is their religious beliefs. it's because of their faith that they were confined to ghettoes, banned from most trades, attacked, beaten, killed, charged with witchcraft, killing and eating good little christian children, etc, etc.

pgardn 09-28-2008 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Not to pretend to be smarter than The Teacher and the Doorknob ( make a great book title)..but you are quite wrong, Dala.



The Jewish people were put into horrifying conditions because they all had ,as very bad luck would have , a common flaw in Hitlers eyes.The odds on this are tremendous..ie...that millions of people who were of one religion and way of life would all display the same Hitlerthink flaw.



But it had absolutely nothing to do with religious belief.

Holy sht.
An honest person.

pgardn 09-28-2008 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
their 'knack' as you call it for business....i would call that a bit of a stereotype. for years and years-centuries really, back to the middle ages, they had no venue opened to them for business, with many turning to money- lending as most other trades were illegal for jews. so, along with getting harrassed for their religion, they were attacked for usury, and by those who owed them money-or by those who knew they had money, else how could they lend it?
but what it all boils down to, all these centuries, is their religious beliefs. it's because of their faith that they were confined to ghettoes, banned from most trades, attacked, beaten, killed, charged with witchcraft, killing and eating good little christian children, etc, etc.

I would also.

Not true in Germany in the late 30's and 40's.
They were very active in Germany in trade and as merchant's but when
WWI ended and the depression came on, they became targets largely because of economic misperceptions. Easy targets.

dalakhani 09-28-2008 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Holy sht.
An honest person.

i guess someone is honest if they agree with your flip flopped discussion changing point of view? LOL


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