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arulus 06-01-2008 10:25 AM

I don't think that anyone is arguing that Smooth Air is a top notch horse. But he's a handy type who happened to be born in a weak crop, and he can do well if put on a strategic campaign. And it's fun to root for him, because the back story is good. I'm tired of Big Brown drama, steriods drama, breakdown drama, trainer drama. I just want to find a couple of cool horses with no controversy surrounding them, and watch them campaign. And, guess what? In a real campaign, sometimes you win, sometimes you get second, sometimes third! I don't mind that. It's bad for the sport if everyone tip toes around and only enters races that they're sure to win. Chances are fun, goals are fun.

Also, I draw a line through Smooth Air's Derby; he got quite a terrible trip, and I thought his finish was actually quite an honest effort. He lost training time due to illness, broke into the air, got bumped around at the started and was heavily checked during the first half of the race, yet still beat about half the field. If all that had not happened, I could see him finishing in the top ten. Maybe even top five, who knows? Sure, it does say something about the weakness of the competition, but it also shows that he really gives an effort each time, and I like that. What was Monba's excuse? Smooth Air is much more likeable than half of the Derby field, like Cowboy Cal, Court Vision, Gayego, etc, who seem to be totally inconsistent and all over the place. And at least he's showed up and raced again and has races set for the future! *yawn* When the hell are Colonel John and Pyro going to surface?

stonegossard 06-01-2008 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Smooth Air isn't in the Top 10 among this crop of 3 year olds? Name 9 (after Big Brown) that have proven themselves better with their record, established speed, utility, etc.. Whatever criteria you want to use.

As a helper, here's the list of Top 3yo Beyers:


RTE:

Big Brown CD 03 May 1 1/4M 109
Big Brown GP 05 Mar 1M 106
Big Brown GP 29 Mar 1 1/8M 106
Harlem Rocker AQU 26 Apr 1M 106
Gayego OP 12 Apr 1 1/8M 103
Coal Play MTH 25 May 1M 70Y 102
Eight Belles (f) CD 03 May 1 1/4M 102
Recapturetheglory HAW 05 Apr 1 1/8M 102
Smooth Air TDN 31 May 1 1/8M 102
Z Fortune OP 12 Apr 1 1/8M 102
Casino Drive BEL 10 May 1 1/8M 101
Instill HAW 26 Apr 1 1/16M 101
J Be K AQU 26 Apr 1M 101


SPR:

Motovato CRC 25 Apr 7F 111
Bob Black Jack SA 26 Jan 6F 109
Storm Mesa (f) LS 26 May 7F 108
Dancing in Silks HOL 27 Apr 6 1/2F 103
Gattopardo LRL 01 Mar 7F 103
Georgie Boy SA 10 Feb 7F 103
Gayego SA 20 Jan 6 1/2F 102
Mucho Macho BEL 17 May 6F 102
Informed Decision (f) KEE 11 Apr 6 1/2F 101
Jockey Ridge GP 18 Jan 6 1/2F 101
Lantana Mob PIM 17 May 6F 101
Lieutenant Ron AQU 06 Apr 7F 101
Zaftig (f) BEL 03 May 7F 101

Steve
While he ran a nice Beyer yesterday it was a HORRIFIC field.

3 yr olds in my opinion who are better than Smooth Air....

BB
Casino Drive
Colonel John
Bob Blackjack
Denis of Cork
Gayego
Harlem Rocker
Georgie Boy
J BE K
Tale of Ekati



Notice I left off Visionaire.

hockey2315 06-01-2008 10:39 AM

I'm not an Smooth Air hater like some, but, there are a bunch of horses with a lot more potential. . . He's accomplished more at this point then most, though. He's solid, but there's definitely a ceiling as to how good he can be.

Harlem Rocker
Casino Drive
Unbridled's Heart
Lt. Ron
Biker Boy
Georgie Boy
Pyro (did everyone forget about him?)

If we count the fillies Eight Belles and Proud Spell

Motovato if he ever runs back to anything close to that race at CRC (I think I read that Wolfson's shipping him up to run this weekend in the Woody Stephens)

Maybe J Be K. . .

hockey2315 06-01-2008 10:49 AM

I can't decide if Denis is more talented. I've been on his bandwagon for a long time but I'm still not so sure he is. If they send Samba Rooster to the King's Bishop he'll be dangerous.

The Bid 06-01-2008 11:12 AM

Sometimes the average fans still fail to understand

ArlJim78 06-01-2008 11:25 AM

its mindboggling that anybody would consider Tueflesberg as being in the top 3 in his crop based on the Bluegrass. I guess that puts Dominican at the head of the class.:rolleyes:

Kasept 06-01-2008 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
Steve if you put Gayego, Coal Play, Recapture the Glory, and Smooth Air in line. You were given one pick to run on with as a DT horse who would you select?

You're asking me who do I pick? Is that a trick question? Smooth Air. I had him picked in January when no one knew who he was...

horseofcourse 06-01-2008 11:56 AM

To answer the question of listing 8 other 3 yr old colts who have proven themselves better or accomplished more than Smooth Air. I think it can't be done.

The Bid 06-01-2008 01:07 PM

No Steve not a trick question at all. Its very obvious where he fits in this group, right at the top.

VOL JACK 06-01-2008 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonegossard
Steve
While he ran a nice Beyer yesterday it was a HORRIFIC field.

3 yr olds in my opinion who are better than Smooth Air....

BB
Casino Drive
Colonel John
Bob Blackjack
Denis of Cork
Gayego
Harlem Rocker
Georgie Boy
J BE K
Tale of Ekati



Notice I left off Visionaire.

you really think there are 3yos on the west coast that can beat Smooth Air? LOL

Kasept 06-01-2008 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
No Steve not a trick question at all. Its very obvious where he fits in this group, right at the top.

Ryan,

You're confusing me... I was on this colt as a 2yo at Calder.. Tabbed him in the Hutch, Florida and KY Derbies.. Had owner Brian Burns on ATR in January.. Told everyone about Bennie Stutts 2 months ago. I don't need to be sold on him. I posed the original question to those that don't think highly of him...

ateamstupid 06-01-2008 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonegossard
Steve
While he ran a nice Beyer yesterday it was a HORRIFIC field.

3 yr olds in my opinion who are better than Smooth Air....

BB
Casino Drive
Colonel John
Bob Blackjack
Denis of Cork
Gayego
Harlem Rocker
Georgie Boy
J BE K
Tale of Ekati



Notice I left off Visionaire.

Yes
Probably
Maybe
No
Maybe
No
Yes
Maybe
Maybe
No

jcs11204 06-01-2008 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Isn't Tale of Ekati's resume at least as good as Smooth Air's? And where did each finish in the Derby?

i have to jump in... i am not a hater or lover of smooth air or tale of ekati
but tale of ekati is much better then smooth air, and like horse sAID above his resume is as good if not better, actually i dont see as good... its 100% better at this point.... futurity and wood winner... or smooth air ?

hockey2315 06-01-2008 06:43 PM

Smooth Air's run a lot faster. . . Tale of Ekati's accomplished more.

jcs11204 06-01-2008 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Smooth Air's run a lot faster. . . Tale of Ekati's accomplished more.

i would rather own tale of ekati moving forward... for racing and breeding

blackthroatedwind 06-01-2008 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204
i would rather own tale of ekati moving forward... for racing and breeding

What about petting?


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