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The Bid 03-28-2008 05:37 PM

where are they rated respectively, Cannon

pgardn 03-28-2008 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Western is for real. First half had me steamed. They were playing like an AAU team with nothing but street thugs in the starting lineup.

Exactly what Tennessee plays like. It works, but it is incredibly
ugly. I have got to give a huge amount of credit to Pitino.
He did something very difficult.

He controlled a fairly young team in the 2nd half to keep
putting pressure on but not take bad shots. Basically they
wore a frantic team down. Louisville never pulled it out and
sat on it offensively. They kept looking to score but with
high % shots.

2ndly. They forced Tennessee to stay frantic on offense.
They double teamed every in-bounds, let the guards or
whoever get what looked to be an open run at the basket
and then just collapsed on Tennessee. This was a great
strategy that Tennessee just fell into. The Tennessee
players where so used to just running full steam ahead,
no ball fakes, no jab steps, no change of pace, just like
a wild little boy AAU team. Very dangerous if they get
confidence, but very beatable by a team that is fundamentally
sound skill wise. Pearl really should be ashamed how amateurish
his team looked.
Pitino is awesome. His teams are really fun to watch.
He has a rare ability to let his guys play, but with
smart basketball. And he DID NOT PANIC. Even when
Tennessee got within one at the beginning of the 2nd
half. He kept with the plan a just wore a frantic team down.
Great stuff. Good team play deserves to win.

I think Texas is a milder version of Tennessee. Without
Augustin, they would be very similar. A point guard
can make a mediocre coach look good.

pgardn 03-28-2008 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
It is unscientific but Louisville has 4 rated NBA prospects while Tenn only has 2

They have actually been taught basketball.
Tennessee players... gonna have to go to rehab.
Bunch of sprinters that got exposed by an athletic
fundamentally grounded team.

Sorry for the redundancy, but I love Pitino teams.

philcski 03-28-2008 07:41 PM

I sense a George Mason moment coming. There is absolutely no reason Davidson can't beat Kansas (or Villanova) if they keep playing at this level.

F*ck the selection committee for screwing the mid-majors again, soon to be two TRUE mid-majors in the elite 8 but only 6 at large bids, and they pair practically all of them up. F*ck them, go Davidson

Cannon Shell 03-28-2008 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
where are they rated respectively, Cannon

Clark for Louisville is rated 32nd, Padgett is 92nd and Caracter is 99th. Smith from Tenn is rated 37th and they have no others in the top 100.

pgardn 03-28-2008 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Clark for Louisville is rated 32nd, Padgett is 92nd and Caracter is 99th. Smith from Tenn is rated 37th and they have no others in the top 100.

Clark has the NBA body.

I wonder where Augustin is rated?
As a point you got to be able to harass
the opposition PG in the NBA and he is definitely
not up to that. And its not like you can put
him on the 6'7" nonscorer on the opposition,
he is not big enough or athletic enough.
Reminds me a bit of Jameer Nelson.

I downgrade Augustin because of his D.

Please dont go.

Cannon Shell 03-28-2008 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
Clark has the NBA body.

I wonder where Augustin is rated?
As a point you got to be able to harass
the opposition PG in the NBA and he is definitely
not up to that. And its not like you can put
him on the 6'7" nonscorer on the opposition,
he is not big enough or athletic enough.
Reminds me a bit of Jameer Nelson.

I downgrade Augustin because of his D.

Please dont go.

Augistin is ranked 10th. There are only about 5 or 6 point guards (Billips, Paul, Williams, Kidd, Davis, Nash) that he couldnt guard well in the NBA and most of them arent guardable by the rest of the league either. Point guard is probably the least important defensive position in the NBA as evidenced by Steve Nash's 2 NBA MVP's despite grading as a weak defensive player.

pgardn 03-28-2008 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Augistin is ranked 10th. There are only about 5 or 6 point guards (Billips, Paul, Williams, Kidd, Davis, Nash) that he couldnt guard well in the NBA and most of them arent guardable by the rest of the league either. Point guard is probably the least important defensive position in the NBA as evidenced by Steve Nash's 2 NBA MVP's despite grading as a weak defensive player.

But Augustin is tiny compared to all those guys
except Nash. And I dont think Augustin is close
to Nash offensively or ever will be.

I guess thats why I like Rhondo on Boston and Parker.
They play D. Jacque Vaughn would have never found
himself on the Spurs if did not play D. I dont think he
would be in the league as a backup with any team if
he did not play D. Its why Staudamire rides the pine now.
But thats the Spurs.

Coach pgardn does not like PG's that dont play D.

Augustin's momma is a teacher.
Maybe she will hold him back.
Please God...

Scav 03-29-2008 01:21 PM

I like both dogs tonight and Xavier to win outright

Xavier +6.5
Xavier +220
Louisville +6

Cannon Shell 03-29-2008 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
But Augustin is tiny compared to all those guys
except Nash. And I dont think Augustin is close
to Nash offensively or ever will be.

I guess thats why I like Rhondo on Boston and Parker.
They play D. Jacque Vaughn would have never found
himself on the Spurs if did not play D. I dont think he
would be in the league as a backup with any team if
he did not play D. Its why Staudamire rides the pine now.
But thats the Spurs.

Coach pgardn does not like PG's that dont play D.

Augustin's momma is a teacher.
Maybe she will hold him back.
Please God...

You dont think it has more to do with Stoudamire's shot selection or refusal to pass? He has always been a shoot first gunner, what did they expect? Defense is far down the importance list of NBA PG's. Taking care of the ball, transition scoring and keeping the ball distributed to the scorers is most important. Augustin is fast, can pass and shoot. If he can limit turnovers and make good decisions he will do fine. Of course no other position depends on teammates for success as pg. Rebounders can get boards regardless of teammates, defensive stoppers and scorers are more individual players. He is better than at least 1/2 of the pg's in the NBA right now. And that's being conservative.

Cannon Shell 03-29-2008 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
I like both dogs tonight and Xavier to win outright

Xavier +6.5
Xavier +220
Louisville +6

Thanks for the 2 blowouts now

Scav 03-29-2008 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Thanks for the 2 blowouts now

LOL, I contribute when I can.

Mortimer 03-29-2008 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Thanks for the 2 blowouts now


oooooooooo

pgardn 03-29-2008 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You dont think it has more to do with Stoudamire's shot selection or refusal to pass? He has always been a shoot first gunner, what did they expect? Defense is far down the importance list of NBA PG's. Taking care of the ball, transition scoring and keeping the ball distributed to the scorers is most important. Augustin is fast, can pass and shoot. If he can limit turnovers and make good decisions he will do fine. Of course no other position depends on teammates for success as pg. Rebounders can get boards regardless of teammates, defensive stoppers and scorers are more individual players. He is better than at least 1/2 of the pg's in the NBA right now. And that's being conservative.

Stoudamire has been given the green light to shoot at that time. He has not refused to pass, he cant get a grip on the offense. Barry was out, Parker gone at the time, Finely shooting very poorly from 3 land.
The question for me is why does the NBA champs have a guy (Vaughn) playing backup that really does not do anything you want out of a PG. Besides play very good defense (my preference).
Coach pgardn likes PG's that can harass and run a team.
Augistin has shown no ability to do the first. Thats why
I would take Rose over him. And Rhondo.

Your MVP suggestion, Chris Paul, is a wonderful help and
on the ball defender. And I will bet you Augistin does not
remain a starter his first year in the NBA. The position is too
difficult. If he does. I have underrated him vastly.
(Please dont go DJ)

BTW. Durant has found his way to the basket. He is actually
shooting FT's and his field goal % has gone up. Imagine that
connection.


I like PG's that play D also.
Coach Pop and myself.
We like the D.

Cannon Shell 03-29-2008 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
LOL, I contribute when I can.

Looking good for the sweep

Cannon Shell 03-29-2008 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
Stoudamire has been given the green light to shoot at that time. He has not refused to pass, he cant get a grip on the offense. Barry was out, Parker gone at the time, Finely shooting very poorly from 3 land.
The question for me is why does the NBA champs have a guy (Vaughn) playing backup that really does not do anything you want out of a PG. Besides play very good defense (my preference).
Coach pgardn likes PG's that can harass and run a team.
Augistin has shown no ability to do the first. Thats why
I would take Rose over him. And Rhondo.

Your MVP suggestion, Chris Paul, is a wonderful help and
on the ball defender. And I will bet you Augistin does not
remain a starter his first year in the NBA. The position is too
difficult. If he does. I have underrated him vastly.
(Please dont go DJ)

BTW. Durant has found his way to the basket. He is actually
shooting FT's and his field goal % has gone up. Imagine that
connection.


I like PG's that play D also.
Coach Pop and myself.
We like the D.

Vaughn is a ok 12 minute a game guy because he knows his limitations, doesnt force the issue or take bad shots and accepts his role.
Rose is a better prospect but that is not a secret. He can be a better player than Rondo. Augustin may not start depending on the team that drafts him but that doesnt mean he wont develop into a good player.

Stoudamire hasnt grasped an offense that doesnt call for him to shoot at will since he smoked his first joint (a long time ago)

Mortimer 03-29-2008 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Looking good for the sweep

That was the kiss of death for Zaveyah.


This guy's worse than TrueFarm.

Coach Pants 03-29-2008 09:40 PM

I'm starting to think pgardn is the ref and he thinks Hansbro is Love.


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