I haven't had a drop of liquor in two years but tonight that's coming to an end. I just can't take this anymore.

have your fun. but i do understand.
i was just trying to make the point that when it does happen, it's a minority of people(winners) that are affected.

That's a terrible attitude in general.

Oh, well in that case, I guess it isn't a problem at all.
End of thread.

True but that was a fairly hostile exchange which was what I was referring to. BTW that Indian horse has really taken America by storm. LOL

How many times have you tried to bet past post time?

Just called in on Trackfacts live and asked the question as to how to remedy this situation. One suggestion Tom Amello had was to refund the race. Sounds good, but is it realistic? How long after this happens do the stewards realize this "glitch" occured? Is it well after the race has been paid?

That doesn't sound like one of Tom's more well thought out answers.

It's time to take a stand. I will not be betting today in protest!!

(this has nothing to do with getting my ass handed to me in yesterday's wagering)

Who else is with me?

(imagine the sound of crickets chirping)

You know how us teachers can be.:D

He did kind of just throw it out there. Seth Morrow was on as a guest and they had no callers on the line, so I thought I'd a throw them a bone to chew on. Nobody (Nick, Tom or Seth) came up with a real good remedy other than shutting down betting a few minutes before post. They did however thank the caller for an excellent question.

The answer is very simple....spend the necessary dollars to update the system. That's the answer. It's up to the racetracks to give this the serious attention it needs.

Not to defend NYRA per se, but at least they said the right things the other day and were up front about it. However, if they don't change the system then it's just more lip service.

When Steve had John Lee on the show the other day, he repeated the information about only $80 or so dollars being bet on track after the race started. He perhaps conveniently left out the rest of the story, that they had no idea how much if any money came in outside of Aqueduct itself.
Which, when you think about it, doesn't make much sense (this information certainly could have been obtained).

I don't think John is a duplicitous guy and probably was simply giving the only information they had for sure.

It may or may not be " easy " to find out what betting from off-track was after the bell. The final money that comes in is probably batched so knowing at exactly what moment it was actually bet might be problematic. This would be yet another reason they have to insure that no money can come in after the bell.

I don't know this for certain, but I think every wager is time-stamped, or certainly could be (if it isn't this would go in the category of updating the technology).

I can understand why John Lee would have only stated what he knew. In his situation, I probably would've done the same thing.

Actually, although my memory may be failing me, I don't remember that exchange being all that hostile. At least I don't think the disagreement betwen the two of us (which I think was the main one in that thread) was hostile at all. You and I took exactly the oppositie positions on that one, but I thought our argument, while certainly vigorous, never degenerated into name-calling or needless hostility. I know I didn't come away from it with any ill-feelings.
I assume that must be because we are both such amazingly wonderful people.

It wasn't really that bad considering the potential of the topic, no ill will or feelings held.

The funny thing is that they (tracks in general) will sink money into synthetic tracks with no thought at all because they think it will save them money but wont spend the money to update the tote system or force the tote companies to modernize.

Well, I guess this helps feed the horseplayer's paranoia.