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Cannon Shell 04-04-2007 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Why? Because he has such a good record of preparing horses to win the Derby?
low blow:D

miraja2 04-04-2007 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MisterB
WOW

What a bet to take here

:)
I know! Have you ever seen such a sure thing?
In a somewhat related - and slightly more serious matter - I have no idea how good of a trainer Tim Ritchey is overall, because I don't follow his tracks carefully, but personally I loved what he did with Afleet Alex in '05.
Remember when he brought him back in that 6f Mountain Valley Stakes (or whatever it is called)? Ritchey said something to the effect of "well I was planning on giving him a strong 6f work so I figured hey, might as well put him in a race!" What a novel concept! Apparently he wasn't afraid that his horse would run too well (whatever the hell that means) and therefore compromise his chances for future success.
Then there was the business about all of Alex's long works that Ritchey said he used to build up the horse's stamina. It seemed to work out okay with his impressive victories in the Arkansas, Preakness, and Belmont. I don't know squat about training, but don't these two ideas (bringing your horse back in a sprint, and using long/slow works to build stamina) make more sense than only running your horses every two months with some 5f works in between starts?
Also do trainers ever really think...."Oh no my horse ran much better in that race than I wanted him to run." Somehow I doubt it.

Cannon Shell 04-04-2007 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
I know! Have you ever seen such a sure thing?
In a related - and slightly more serious matter - I have no idea how good of a trainer Tim Ritchey is overall, because I don't follow his tracks carefully, but personally I loved what he did with Afleet Alex in '05.
Remember when he brought him back in that 6f Mountain Valley Stakes (or whatever it is called)? Ritchey said something to the effect of "well I was planning on giving him a strong 6f work so I figured hey, might as well put him in a race!" What a novel concept!
Then there was the business about all of Alex's long works that Ritchey said he used to build up the horse's stamina. It seemed to work out okay with his victories impressive victories in the Arkansas, Preakness, and Belmont. I don't know squat about training, but don't these two ideas (bringing your horse back in a sprint, and using long/slow works to build stamina) make more sense than only running your horses every two months with some 5f works in between starts?
It seemed to work well for about 100 years

mbahadur 04-04-2007 01:25 PM
Per the toddpletcherracing.com website, Circular Quay had a workout on 4/1 at Palm Beach Downs: :49 2/5 for 4 furlongs.

Thus the horse has had another work since 3/26

Linny 04-04-2007 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mbahadur
Per the toddpletcherracing.com website, Circular Quay had a workout on 4/1 at Palm Beach Downs: :49 2/5 for 4 furlongs.

Thus the horse has had another work since 3/26
It was not on DRF at about 1pm yesterday when I put my article up for the ridicule of the masses.

Grits 04-04-2007 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
He was concerned with the surface in regards to another Derby contender of his Deadly Dealer. Dealer is very fast and in the fall the Keeneland poly played not too kind to speed. So Pletcher said he going to monitor it to see if it was stil playing that way. I didn't get that he was concerned about the surface in any way other than that.
Yes, you're right, he must be interested in the poly in regard to only this one runner, Deadly Dealer, in his barn.

My mistake--thinking he would be interested in any other of his horses going over the poly.

You're correct Dahoss.

Grits 04-04-2007 07:08 PM
Dahoss, I told you that you were correct, when I thought he had concern for CQ and possibly others in his barn...I went back and read the DRF article again, and saw the concern was for Deadly Dealer, so what are you telling me now? What did I miss?

Grits 04-04-2007 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I guess it appeared to me that you were being snide with what you were saying. My apologies if I was incorrect.
No, don't you think I've brought enough on myself in the last week?

Don't answer that, I'll hit you. . . (forgetting here that I'm talking to the dude who say's "its a message board, and I'll never meet you people, so I can kinda say, whatever.") :rolleyes:

Rileyoriley 04-04-2007 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
I read somewhere else that they're having trouble keeping weight on CQ.. a sign that something may be wrong with him.
Could be ulcers.

Grits 04-04-2007 07:58 PM
I am paraphrasing you . . . not quoting you. Stop needling me DaH.

I know you have many friends, and I would disagree, in that it is possible that you, though maybe only rarely, EDIT: MAY take what others say to heart.

We are all human, you included Mr.Lessthanmoved.

And you can't put that in your signature line, now ain't that a b!tch. LOLOL

Cajungator26 04-04-2007 08:03 PM
There's a calm surrender to the rush of day
When the heat of the rolling world can be turned awayAn enchanted moment, and it sees me through
It's enough for this restless warrior just to be with you

And can you feel the love tonight
It is where we are
It's enough for this wide-eyed wanderer
That we got this far
And can you feel the love tonight
How it's laid to rest
It's enough to make kings and vagabonds
Believe the very best

There's a time for everyone if they only learn
That the twisting kaleidoscope moves us all in turn
There's a rhyme and reason to the wild outdoors
When the heart of this star-crossed voyager beats in time with yours

paisjpq 04-04-2007 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
For the record I had no real problem at all with what you said.


But that isn't really what I said about the board. My point was to take stuff to heart that someone you don't know says to you over a message board is ridiculous. I never said, I'll never meet you people, so I can kinda say whatever. As hard as it is to believe for some I actually have some friends on the board. I guess I just don't take to heart what people have to say about me. I know who matters and I care what they say. That's it.
for the record you can say whatever you want about me...but be warned I have friends that can take you out at the tele-theatre.

Cajungator26 04-04-2007 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
For the record I had no real problem at all with what you said.


But that isn't really what I said about the board. My point was to take stuff to heart that someone you don't know says to you over a message board is ridiculous. I never said, I'll never meet you people, so I can kinda say whatever. As hard as it is to believe for some I actually have some friends on the board. I guess I just don't take to heart what people have to say about me. I know who matters and I care what they say. That's it.
Do I matter, DaHoss? I just can't handle it if I don't! BOOHOO!!! :( :D

GPK 04-04-2007 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by paisjpq
for the record you can say whatever you want about me...but be warned I have friends that can take you out at the tele-theatre.

just to let ya'll know...pais would be the last person I would ever mess with...:o

Grits 04-04-2007 08:09 PM
I had to edit my last post. Must be the Crown or water, or missing Morte', one of the two.


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