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Hickory Hill Hoff 10-25-2008 09:54 PM

Congrats to ALL the winners.....it was a GOOD day on the Pro-Ride! :)

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i just think that if a race can lose it's graded status when a race is moved from turf to main for instance, that the argument could be made about changing from dirt to awt. it doesn't matter tho, it won't happen.

only if it is a off the turf race. Havent there been races that have gone from dirt races to turf races and maintained the same status? lots of races switch distances all the time with no change in grades. The graded system is in need of a complete overhaul anyway

Betsy 10-25-2008 10:04 PM

I have no feelings for or against Curlin, but I didn't understand Randy Moss' comment that the Classic in NO WAY (I capitalized this because that's how strongly he said it) diminishes his reputation. Now this I dispute. It's not fair to say that had he won, Curlin would have been the best horse in the last 25 years (I wonder who decided that, by the way) because, presumably, he'd have overcome an unfamilar surface and tough Euro challengers, yet in the same breath say that the loss has no effect on his standing in racing history. You can't have it both ways. I don't think Curlin's reputation as a very good horse was diminished, but his historical reputation as a great horse was.

ninetoone 10-25-2008 10:21 PM

I'm gonna guess I suck now.

Gauchos0522 10-25-2008 10:30 PM

You could see him trying at the to of the stretch but he just spun his wheels after not getting the lead over the track

ddthetide 10-25-2008 10:34 PM

i'd still rather have mud/slop and soggy turf. :wf

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-25-2008 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
i'd still rather have mud/slop and soggy turf. :wf

How about the Dee Tee runners?

Danzig 10-25-2008 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betsy
I have no feelings for or against Curlin, but I didn't understand Randy Moss' comment that the Classic in NO WAY (I capitalized this because that's how strongly he said it) diminishes his reputation. Now this I dispute. It's not fair to say that had he won, Curlin would have been the best horse in the last 25 years (I wonder who decided that, by the way) because, presumably, he'd have overcome an unfamilar surface and tough Euro challengers, yet in the same breath say that the loss has no effect on his standing in racing history. You can't have it both ways. I don't think Curlin's reputation as a very good horse was diminished, but his historical reputation as a great horse was.

i think he meant it shouldn't diminish what he's accomplished up to today.

onebadbeast 10-25-2008 10:41 PM

Poly, Concrete, Broken Glass, Horses Rule!!!!!!!!!!!

Danzig 10-25-2008 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
only if it is a off the turf race. Havent there been races that have gone from dirt races to turf races and maintained the same status? lots of races switch distances all the time with no change in grades. The graded system is in need of a complete overhaul anyway


i don't know about dirt to turf. but if they don't lose it, why do they take it for going to the main track? that makes no sense...
but it is due an overhaul.

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-25-2008 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by onebadbeast
Poly, Concrete, Broken Glass, Horses Rule!!!!!!!!!!!

Way to go Joe!

Round Pen 10-25-2008 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
I'm confused.

I thought that when your stable enters a rabbit for the horse you are riding, you are supposed to follow it as closely as you can as it sets strong fractions.


And then send your horse for all hes worth at the 1/2 mile pole yes have to agree very strange

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i don't know about dirt to turf. but if they don't lose it, why do they take it for going to the main track? that makes no sense...
but it is due an overhaul.

because a field of turf horses running on dirt is rarely representative of a race of a similar grade on the dirt. the committee does not have to drop the grade for an off the turfer though.

Betsy 10-25-2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i think he meant it shouldn't diminish what he's accomplished up to today.

Well, yes - that's absolutely true. ESPN was full of drama queens today, though. Was it William Nack doing those breathless profiles of various horses? Every time Curlin's name was mentioned, it was always followed by "possibly/probably best horse of the last 25 years". Annoying. Nonetheless, there's nothing to knock about this guy.

Indian Charlie 10-26-2008 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by justindew
She's now a two-time Grade I winner against older males.

The real justindew wouldnt have asked such a question.

westcoastinvader 10-26-2008 12:09 AM

General admission gives you access to the paddock gardens which include the walking ring, the main floor under the grandstands all the way up to the rail of the track and I think you also get access to the Dungon under the main floor. That's where it is easy to place a wager after the horses head to the track.


If you are coming from the west, take Baldwin south (its one exit before Santa Anita) and it runs alongside the stable area.



jezebel and 2Hot4tTV, thanks for the great advice!

Baldwin allowed EZ access with only a brief wait for two traffic lights. Also surprisingly allowed for EZ exit to 210 after the Classic. In fact we were rolling west of Pasadena by about 4:25.

Nice surprise was discovering early the infield access with General Admission. Made it to the far gate for the backside break for the 1st race Marathon. Was really cool to see the horses come by the same backside spot the 2nd time around.

Made it to the spots you mentioned. In fact, once we nailed down the logistics we were set for the Classic. Had a rail paddock spot for the Classic walk in, and for the walk to the ring for rider's up. An extra little neat part was realizing Bo Derek
still looks great as she came within a couple feet of us with the paddock entourage.

And from the paddock for the Classic, we went 1/2 way though an infield tunnel, then up to a trackside rail view for the on track introductions....and of course for the stretch drive.

A great great day. Lots of anecdotes, including one where I thought Richard Migliore was going to try to kiss my wife on his walk to the ring just before the Classic. Turns out his intended recipient was just over my wife's shoulder, but my wife and the guy I was talking to thought the same as me for a split second. A good laugh!


Thanks again.

In fact, if I had opted for a grandstand seat for the extra $$ it would have likely felt like a "ball and chain" keeping me from the freedom and access General Admission offered.

dalakhani 10-26-2008 12:28 AM

She would smoke any three year old filly that ran in the US this year.

King Glorious 10-26-2008 12:29 AM

I had to listen to the races on mute cause I was sick of hearing that title. He's not even in the conversation and that was before he lost today. He's not even the best of this decade. Hell, he's not even the best of this year.

King Glorious 10-26-2008 12:33 AM

I'd have no issue with giving it to her. Precedent has been set over and over in the past with giving Eclipse awards to horses that come over here and win one race. If Miesque can walk away with two races here and two titles, why not Goldikova? Daylami, Johannesburgh......the list goes pretty long. Hell, High Chaparral was voted the champion turf horse in 2003 and he didn't even win his BC race outright (deadheated with Johar). Singspiel never won a race in the US (won the Canadian International and ran second in the BC Turf) and still won the title. Arazi came over and won the Juvenile and not only won the title but was one of the three finalist for HOY. So why not Goldikova?


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