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pba1817 10-25-2008 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
yeah there are scarier things to worry about, say for instance Tony Reyes;)
None of my competitors scare me.... I am more scared of driving in the snow/ice.

Seattleallstar 10-25-2008 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
None of my competitors scare me.... I am more scared of driving in the snow/ice.
yikes being in Cali I thought you wouldnt have to deal with that weather hassle. So how did you make out today with the horsies

pba1817 10-25-2008 09:14 PM
I'm in Wichita KS(no OTB or tracks near here) and I will be on the road for the next 7 weeks for "work".

Danzig 10-25-2008 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
So when a track decides to re-installed its turf/sod, which numerous tracks have done over the years, should they lose their Graded status as well?
you're not seriously trying to compare replacing grass with grass, with removing dirt and installing wax, sand and rubber?

Danzig 10-25-2008 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He made the move that won most of the BC "dirt" races this year. Just wasnt good enough. Losing to Ravens Pass isnt something to be ashamed of. Getting outfinished for third by Tiago is. The last 2 races he won by small margins over weak horses were chalked up to his only doing what he had to do to win. I still believe he just isnt as great as his fans believe him to be and has been fortunate to run in the era of the worst older horses, probably ever. He is a very good horse but not in the top 50 of all time and certainly not the best of the last 25 years. Clever Trevor, by the way, would be a full fledged star nowadays.
i agree with your post in its entirety! no doubt you'll sleep better knowing that. ;)

Danzig 10-25-2008 09:23 PM
one question i have...after seeing how the classic went, how would zenyatta have handled the race?

pba1817 10-25-2008 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
you're not seriously trying to compare replacing grass with grass, with removing dirt and installing wax, sand and rubber?
I sure am..

Danzig 10-25-2008 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
And if you believe what "they" say on TV all the time, you aren't very smart. You know better than that!!

It was a bad ride, plain and simple. He sorely misjudged the pace and was out finished by 3 horses, not 1, but 3!!! Getting out finished by 1 would have been acceptable, simply a better horse, but to be out finished by 3 and Tiago as one of them.... not good at all.
i think the they was garrett gomez if i remember correctly.

Danzig 10-25-2008 09:25 PM
well, imo-which means nothing to the graded stakes committe, i don't think it's comparable. the only thing the main track has in common with the old main tracks that were real dirt is that they still aren't green.

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i agree with your post in its entirety! no doubt you'll sleep better knowing that. ;)
I rarely sleep...

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
good question.

my big question was how do these graded races they've been having retain their status? one requirement of keeping their status is that the conditions be the same from year to year, that obviously is no longer the case on tracks with AWT surfaces.
track surfaces changes dont merit a downgrade I believe

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by pba1817
Worrying about track records or final times, is silly IMO.
worrying about and not recognizing arent really the same thing. If the times are so unimportant then why do we bother keeping them?

herkhorse 10-25-2008 09:42 PM
At least the times and splits were correct, and not triggered by outriders.

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-25-2008 09:44 PM
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I'll tell you after Saturday.....:D
Pro-Ride!!!

:)

:$:

blackthroatedwind 10-25-2008 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Stall Mucker
If you're talking about Crist?? Capital OTB gave him a $5000 bankroll to play the pic-6. Don't know how many people qualified but, during the week there were 200+ people that qualified. You had to be present at Teletheater to win.

OTB did not " give " Steve anything. They gave an opportunity to their good customers. Steve took advantage of it, and used his skills to make money for those customers.

pba1817 10-25-2008 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
worrying about and not recognizing arent really the same thing. If the times are so unimportant then why do we bother keeping them?
For those people who get off on seeing them...

Danzig 10-25-2008 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
track surfaces changes dont merit a downgrade I believe
i just think that if a race can lose it's graded status when a race is moved from turf to main for instance, that the argument could be made about changing from dirt to awt. it doesn't matter tho, it won't happen.

Danzig 10-25-2008 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I rarely sleep...
i can relate to that.

pba1817 10-25-2008 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
. it doesn't matter tho, it won't happen.
Exactly my point

GPK 10-25-2008 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
Curlin would get his ass handed to him by Zarkava just like Rags bitched slapped him in Belmont

Jerry...I can't think of a horse in this world that Zarkava wouldn't bitch slap. She is a freak of nature.


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