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MaTH716 06-12-2011 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 784010)
Oh please. The big difference was that the Mavs had a guy who found ways to score in the final six minutes and the Heat didn't. What the hell did Spoelstra do wrong?

He left Lebron in the game. Hell if all he was going to do was pass the rock, he could have left Bibby in the lineup.

ateamstupid 06-12-2011 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 784011)
He left Lebron in the game. Hell if all he was going to do was pass the rock, he could have left Bibby in the lineup.

:tro:

Coach Pants 06-12-2011 10:08 PM

There was a stretch about the 6 minute to 3 minute mark that LeBron was acting like the ball was a hot potato.

He scurr'd

MaTH716 06-12-2011 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 784013)
There was a stretch about the 6 minute to 3 minute mark that LeBron was acting like the ball was a hot potato.

He scurr'd

I thought the exact same thing. He passed on open shots and didn't even think about putting the ball on the floor.

Really when you think about it, the only other guys on the floor except Wade who wanted the ball in their hands and weren't afraid to shoot were Chalmers and Eddie House.

Like Coach said, everyone else was playing Hot Potato.

ateamstupid 06-12-2011 10:15 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYe8B--jrbs

Eat a fat rod, douchebag.

dalakhani 06-12-2011 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 784010)
Oh please. The big difference was that the Mavs had a guy who found ways to score in the final six minutes and the Heat didn't. What the hell did Spoelstra do wrong?

I didn't say it was spoelstra's fault although I did say he got outcoached. Carlisle made some great adjustments and ultimately that was the difference. Going zone was huge on the defensive end and going to the high pick and roll was the difference on the other end.

ateamstupid 06-12-2011 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 784016)
I didn't say it was spoelstra's fault although I did say he got outcoached. Carlisle made some great adjustments and ultimately that was the difference. Going zone was huge on the defensive end and going to the high pick and roll was the difference on the other end.

You said it was 'the big difference', which is insanity. Carlisle's a great coach, but Spoelstra did nothing wrong in this series.

Dahoss 06-12-2011 10:36 PM

Classy move by Wade shaking hands after the series. I didn't see Lebron doing it, because he seemed to rush off the court and the camera followed him to the locker room. Not saying he didn't do what Wade did, they just didn't show it. Anyone see him congratulating the other team after the game?

Also looked like Bosh broke down walking into the locker room a couple of times and was visibly crying.

Coach Pants 06-12-2011 10:39 PM

James congratulated Kidd.

RuPaul crying? Shocking.

Coach Pants 06-12-2011 10:42 PM

Jason Kidd turned back the clock in game 5 and 6.

He really deserved a championship. He's been a fantastic player for over 20 years.

Dahoss 06-12-2011 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 784022)
Jason Kidd turned back the clock in game 5 and 6.

He really deserved a championship. He's been a fantastic player for over 20 years.

Definitely. Happy for him.

philcski 06-12-2011 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 784022)
Jason Kidd turned back the clock in game 5 and 6.

He really deserved a championship. He's been a fantastic player for over 20 years.

Definitely agree. And Dirk Nowitzki makes the NBA worth watching. Exudes class and couldn't be happier for him, especially after '06.

horseofcourse 06-13-2011 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 784016)
I didn't say it was spoelstra's fault although I did say he got outcoached. Carlisle made some great adjustments and ultimately that was the difference. Going zone was huge on the defensive end and going to the high pick and roll was the difference on the other end.

I agree. Carlisle was a mad genius. Barea started more games in the finals series than he had the entire season. When things were not going well, Carlisle completely changed his entire rotation. He put Cardinal in the rotation and got big minutes from him, Peja was completely nailed to the bench. It all worked like a charm for him. Stevenson played much better coming off the bench and had a great shooting series...over 50 pct from 3. It was a great series to watch and an even greater result. The Mavs played with zero fear.

dalakhani 06-13-2011 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 784017)
You said it was 'the big difference', which is insanity. Carlisle's a great coach, but Spoelstra did nothing wrong in this series.

Nothing wrong? He put Eddie house on Jason Terry. Miami went key stretches without any semblance of an offensive game plan. Those things aside, I am not pinning the series loss on spoelstra. I am merely crediting Carlisle with an outstanding job. Is it not possible that spoelstra could do a decent job but yet still get completely outcoached?

ateamstupid 06-13-2011 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 784030)
Nothing wrong? He put Eddie house on Jason Terry. Miami went key stretches without any semblance of an offensive game plan. Those things aside, I am not pinning the series loss on spoelstra. I am merely crediting Carlisle with an outstanding job. Is it not possible that spoelstra could do a decent job but yet still get completely outcoached?

Big deal. He traded defense for offense, coaches often do that when their team is in a hole. Carlisle played Stojakovic and Cardinal over Corey Brewer this series and neither of those two could guard a folding chair. And Miami's offense is a mess at times mainly because neither LeBron nor Wade know how to play without the ball.

It sounds like you're pinning the loss on him if you say coaching was 'the big difference' in the series. The big difference was that Dallas had a closer and Miami didn't.

No disagreement that Carlisle coached a great series.

randallscott35 06-13-2011 07:30 AM

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ga...ack_pages.html

Coach Pants 06-13-2011 07:54 AM

I saw LeBron just recently and i asked him if he had change for a dollar.
He gave me 75 cents
I asked him "That's it???"
LeBron replied " Sorry i don't have a 4th Quarter."

randallscott35 06-13-2011 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 784042)
I saw LeBron just recently and i asked him if he had change for a dollar.
He gave me 75 cents
I asked him "That's it???"
LeBron replied " Sorry i don't have a 4th Quarter."

Oh no he didnnt

dalakhani 06-13-2011 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 784031)
Big deal. He traded defense for offense, coaches often do that when their team is in a hole. Carlisle played Stojakovic and Cardinal over Corey Brewer this series and neither of those two could guard a folding chair. And Miami's offense is a mess at times mainly because neither LeBron nor Wade know how to play without the ball.

It sounds like you're pinning the loss on him if you say coaching was 'the big difference' in the series. The big difference was that Dallas had a closer and Miami didn't.

No disagreement that Carlisle coached a great series.

Wade isn't a "closer"? That is news. From what I had heard, he was one of the best "closers" in the game...whatever that means.

Putting Eddie House on Jason Terry wasn't merely trading defense for offense. It was putting your worst perimeter defender against the other team's best offensive player (terry was their best offensive player last night and for other parts of the series). Why wasn't he matched up against Kidd as Van Gundy astutely pointed out or anyone else for that matter. That's coaching and at the times he was on Terry, they weren't in much of a hole although they were after a few minutes of that matchup.

If I say that Dirk Nowitzki outplayed Udonis Haslem and was "the big difference", does that mean that I am pinning the loss on Haslem? Of course not. I am merely stating the obvious. The same goes for the coach. Like Haslem, Spoelstra did a credible job during the series. He simply didn't have anywhere near the effect that Carlisle did for his respective team. He didn't have "skins on the wall" to garner the type of respect necessary from players like Lebron and Wade. Riley does. It will be a big difference next year if Riley is there.

You can't sum up what happened in this series to a few minutes down the stretch in every game. Do you play chess? The end game is merely a result of the opening and the middle. The Heat had two queens but the mavs had but one queen and a full compliment of pawns. Carlisle used his advantage of material to wear down the Heat's advantage in firepower.

The Heat had to work much harder on defense and by the late stages they were worn down especially in the last couple of games. It is undeniable that much of that had to do with the adjustments that Dallas made on the offensive end.

Dahoss 06-13-2011 08:29 AM

Lebron apologists awful quiet this morning. Let's leave it to Lebron to put things into perspective, he always has a way with words.

Via Twitter:
The Greater Man upstairs know when it's my time. Right now isn't the time.

Well said, Lebron, well said. :rolleyes:


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