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ateamstupid 10-25-2008 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817
IMO... He rode the horse like the win was a guarantee and the only thing that was of concern was by how many lengths were to be between him and the field.

I agree with this. I think he consistently moves early on this horse. He's gotten away with it against Past the Point and Wanderin Boy and thought he could do the same today.

the_fat_man 10-25-2008 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817
This is the approach Albarado should have taken instead of riding the race like the win was a formality and the only thing in question was how many he was going be ahead by when he crossed the wire.

I do not know where they teach it, but apparently the Euro's are subscribing to it.

This is America, Ace. Drafting behind horses is considered getting a POOR TRIP here. Wide, no cover, PREMATURE moves are the norm. This is the land of BIASES. Take the lead on a dirt track and you're typically home. Curlin, the best horse in the land, is outkicked by a couple of milers, as his rider is in a hurry to make the lead by the turn. Great way to go down. :rolleyes:

pba1817 10-25-2008 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Revidere
And to use the thread starter's example, Easy Goer beat It's Acedemic, Clevor Trevor and DeRoche.


I never said go to the inside, but not go 7-8 wide around the entire turn. The horses who passed him(good, bad, otherwise) employed this tactic.

It worked for 3 of them right?

pba1817 10-25-2008 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
This is America, Ace. Drafting behind horses is considered getting a POOR TRIP here. Wide, no cover, PREMATURE moves are the norm. This is the land of BIASES. Take the lead on a dirt track and you're typically home. Curlin, the best horse in the land is outkicked by a couple of milers, as his rider is in a hurry to make the lead by the turn. Great way to go down. :rolleyes:

I thought this was the Socialist Republic of Obamaland... my bad.

the_fat_man 10-25-2008 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817
I thought this was the Socialist Republic of Obamaland... my bad.

Socialist IFF the present administration was buying up banks (and other businesses). They'd certainly know.

Danzig 10-25-2008 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I agree with this. I think he consistently moves early on this horse. He's gotten away with it against Past the Point and Wanderin Boy and thought he could do the same today.

by the same token, they said earlier in the show that it takes longer to catch horses on the awt's. maybe that was his thinking as well?
hard to say. he rode like he had the best horse, and all year, he has had the best horse.
too bad he's going out like this. curlin hadn't lost on dirt since the haskell. er, real dirt.

pba1817 10-25-2008 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Has Casino Drive finished yet?

I just saw him with his taillights in reverse going west on the 210 freeway headed to Dubai via LAX.

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
by the same token, they said earlier in the show that it takes longer to catch horses on the awt's. maybe that was his thinking as well?
hard to say. he rode like he had the best horse, and all year, he has had the best horse.
too bad he's going out like this. curlin hadn't lost on dirt since the haskell. er, real dirt.

He made the move that won most of the BC "dirt" races this year. Just wasnt good enough. Losing to Ravens Pass isnt something to be ashamed of. Getting outfinished for third by Tiago is. The last 2 races he won by small margins over weak horses were chalked up to his only doing what he had to do to win. I still believe he just isnt as great as his fans believe him to be and has been fortunate to run in the era of the worst older horses, probably ever. He is a very good horse but not in the top 50 of all time and certainly not the best of the last 25 years. Clever Trevor, by the way, would be a full fledged star nowadays.

pba1817 10-25-2008 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
by the same token, they said earlier in the show that it takes longer to catch horses on the awt's. maybe that was his thinking as well?
hard to say. he rode like he had the best horse, and all year, he has had the best horse.
too bad he's going out like this. curlin hadn't lost on dirt since the haskell. er, real dirt.

And if you believe what "they" say on TV all the time, you aren't very smart. You know better than that!!

It was a bad ride, plain and simple. He sorely misjudged the pace and was out finished by 3 horses, not 1, but 3!!! Getting out finished by 1 would have been acceptable, simply a better horse, but to be out finished by 3 and Tiago as one of them.... not good at all.

pba1817 10-25-2008 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He made the move that won most of the BC "dirt" races this year. Just wasnt good enough. Losing to Ravens Pass isnt something to be ashamed of. Getting outfinished for third by Tiago is. The last 2 races he won by small margins over weak horses were chalked up to his only doing what he had to do to win. I still believe he just isnt as great as his fans believe him to be and has been fortunate to run in the era of the worst older horses, probably ever. He is a very good horse but not in the top 50 of all time and certainly not the best of the last 25 years. Clever Trevor, by the way, would be a full fledged star nowadays.

Agreed.

pba1817 10-25-2008 07:50 PM

Figjam

Stall Mucker 10-25-2008 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverRP
just curious, what size of a ticket did he use

If you're talking about Crist?? Capital OTB gave him a $5000 bankroll to play the pic-6. Don't know how many people qualified but, during the week there were 200+ people that qualified. You had to be present at Teletheater to win.

AeWingnut 10-25-2008 07:56 PM

I had the 1st two legs of the late pick 4
partly because I listened to you

no comment on the rest of the ticket but I just wanted to say you provided me with Raven's Pass.

Thanks for the insight :tro:

ateamstupid 10-25-2008 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stall Mucker
If you're talking about Crist?? Capital OTB gave him a $5000 bankroll to play the pic-6. Don't know how many people qualified but, during the week there were 200+ people that qualified. You had to be present at Teletheater to win.

From Crist Blog:

I'm told there were 41 patrons at the Albany teletheatre who sliced up the (second) $55k ticket. To be in the pool, you had to wager over $2500 through Capitol OTB during September and October, and then show up today at the teletheatre and register.

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 08:01 PM

Midnight Lute ran great and it was a tremendous training job to have him ready after all his issues but counting these times as stakes records is crazy.

pba1817 10-25-2008 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Midnight Lute ran great and it was a tremendous training job to have him ready after all his issues but counting these times as stakes records is crazy.

Why is it crazy?

ateamstupid 10-25-2008 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pba1817
Why is it crazy?

The track was freaking conveyor belt?

Cannon Shell 10-25-2008 08:09 PM

maybe for xmas Shiekh Mo can buy Casino Drive for number 1 wife to use as a rabbit for her good horses?


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