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_ed_ 02-02-2013 08:20 PM

So proud of Pinzaara. She's gone up in grade since that last win, so she should be finding it harder to compete with these better horses. But she just never lies down. She's amazing.

Castlzeberg... wow. :eek: I wasn't expecting that! I was sure they'd catch him. But he just kept going! I guess he could do that in the Derby too!

He took four races to win his maiden - he finished second in the first three. But then he won a maiden race by six lengths and went straight into the Guineas... and won that too! It's possible he's just improving scarily quickly right now.

my miss storm cat 02-03-2013 11:25 AM

I'm sure you've already seen this but incase you haven't check out the name of one of his new stablemates... (!!!).

http://www.theinformant.co.nz/racing...-in-Expressway

_ed_ 02-04-2013 04:18 AM

Haha, that's crazy!

Latest NZ Derby order of entry:
http://www.nzracing.co.nz/OnHorseFil...r%204-2-13.pdf

Field is limited to 18.

my miss storm cat 02-04-2013 01:06 PM

Does Michael Moroney have any other possible runners aside from Kidwelly (and is she nominated for the Oaks as well)?

_ed_ 02-04-2013 01:27 PM

He also has That's How We Roll - a maiden who's currently right at the bottom of the order of entry. So he's probably not a realistic chance to make it.

Yep, Kidwelly's in the Oaks too. :)

my miss storm cat 02-05-2013 01:41 PM

Hey ed why on earth isn't Veyron running in the Waikato Sprint this weekend?

Mufhasa all the way (looks like a great field)!

_ed_ 02-05-2013 04:35 PM

That's a good question! I'll try to find out.

Mufhasa's unlikely to run either, actually! He's probably going to Melbourne for the Orr Stakes.

Pinzaara's going to try again in the last!

_ed_ 02-07-2013 05:17 PM

Really looks to me like the girls are gonna dominate these two G1s tomorrow. Lady Kipling and Artistic in the International; Final Touch, Fleur de Lune, Xanadu and Guiseppina in the Sprint.

my miss storm cat 02-07-2013 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _ed_ (Post 914790)
That's a good question! I'll try to find out.

Mufhasa's unlikely to run either, actually! He's probably going to Melbourne for the Orr Stakes.

Pinzaara's going to try again in the last!

Is that disappointing for all his fans at home... not to see him before he leaves (... and who gets the mount?)?

Best of luck to you and your girl!!!!! :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by _ed_ (Post 915036)
Really looks to me like the girls are gonna dominate these two G1s tomorrow. Lady Kipling and Artistic in the International; Final Touch, Fleur de Lune, Xanadu and Guiseppina in the Sprint.

Amazing fields for Saturday. I just looked and wow... it's like all star day and yes - the girls rule!

my miss storm cat 02-08-2013 12:17 PM

On the King and Mr. Wallace who, from reading this, sounds like a decent guy.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/racing/new...ectid=10863700

my miss storm cat 02-08-2013 08:33 PM

Fix!

_ed_ 02-09-2013 06:38 AM

Fix was so brave! Amazing win.

I wasn't expecting that from Sangster. Whoa! We haven't seen anything that good from him since his Victoria Derby win more than a year ago.

And Final Touch has left me speechless again. I'd hardly heard of her through her first 30 starts; now she's won three Group 1s in her last four starts and is making a big claim for HOTY.

my miss storm cat 02-09-2013 10:03 AM

Finally watched Final Touch and wow... she is fantastic.

Have not yet seen Sangsters win but nearly fell over when I saw he'd won.

What happened to your girl? She's okay, right? Not the right race?

Mufhasa..... I so wanted him to win but not like he has anything left to prove.

_ed_ 02-09-2013 05:56 PM

Hope everything's ok with Mufhasa - he'd normally fight back, but didn't really offer any resistance yesterday. Maybe it's time to start to think about retiring. :(

Pinzaara's fine. :) She had the outside gate here, and the trainer decided there's a better spot for her this Wednesday at Ellerslie. I can't get the day off work to go out there, unfortunately, but I'll be watching!

my miss storm cat 02-09-2013 08:07 PM

Funny that it seems so strange to see "retiring" and Mufhasa in the same line.

Glad Pinzaara is okay and how exciting!!! Too bad you can't be there but hooray... hope she does it!

_ed_ 02-10-2013 03:41 AM

Fix possible for Derby! :eek:
http://www.theinformant.co.nz/racing...cope-this-week

Didn't expect that.

my miss storm cat 02-10-2013 11:59 AM

Oh wow can't wait to see what they decide.

I finally got around to watching the very last replay from Sat....

A’Larose was really impressive!!!

_ed_ 02-10-2013 03:59 PM

Oh, she really was! It looks like a great group of 2yo fillies this year - A'Larose, Ruud Awakening, Bounding (the only horse to beat Ruud Awakening), Recite...

my miss storm cat 02-11-2013 09:49 AM

Very nice news!

http://www.theinformant.co.nz/racing...lerslie-Sunday

_ed_ 02-11-2013 03:59 PM

Cool! Ooh, Celtic Chief is a sneaky chance in the Derby too. Good luck to him.

_ed_ 02-11-2013 04:09 PM

Speaking of the Derby, let's get this started! :)

And we'll start with the obvious one - the Derby favourite herself, the one and only...


HABIBI

3 f Ekraar - Danny Holiday
Breeder: H J & P J Crofskey
Owner: G P, H J & P J Crofskey and P A McIntyre
Trainer: Donna & Dean Logan
Jockey: Vinnie Colgan

5 starts
5 wins
0 seconds
0 thirds

Major races:
1st Championship Stakes G2
1st Great Northern Guineas G2

Best replay to watch:
Championship Stakes, Ellerslie, 1 January
http://www.nzracing.co.nz/RaceInfo/4...ce-Detail.aspx


Derby odds: 3.50 (favourite)

+ Undefeated in five
+ Winning so easily
+ Seems to be getting better with every race

- The horses she's beaten haven't done great since. Championship Stakes runner-up Addictive Habit only managed a battling sixth in the Waikato Guineas earlier this month
- The fact that she's never had a challenge could actually be a problem if she has one for the first time in the Derby! How will she handle having a horse stay with her?


Of course she has to be the favourite at the moment. She's been flawless, and she's been on another level to her opposition so far. But in the last couple of weeks some better horses than the ones she's been beating have broken out. Can she beat them too? There's no reason to think she can't, but there's really only one way to find out!

my miss storm cat 02-12-2013 02:05 PM

YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

So happy it's that time of the year and thank you for doing this once again! I mean it. :)

Good luck to Pinzaara!

_ed_ 02-12-2013 04:46 PM

CASTLZEBERG

3 g Castledale - Stylish Cent
Breeder: Te Runga Stud
Owner: Te Runga Stud (W Larsen) & R Vance
Trainer: Jenny & Bob Vance
Jockey: Danielle Johnson

5 starts
2 wins
3 seconds
0 thirds

Major races:
1st Waikato Guineas G2

Best replay to watch:
Waikato Guineas, Te Rapa, 2 February
http://www.nzracing.co.nz/RaceInfo/4...ce-Detail.aspx

Derby odds: 5.00 (2nd fav)

+ Definitely improving with every race - a six-length maiden win at his fourth start; all-the-way Guineas romp at his fifth
+ Beat the strongest field assembled on the Derby trail so far at Waikato

- He was a maiden two starts ago, and he took four starts to get out of that grade. Have these two freak performances been a flash in the pan, or is he the real deal?
- His bold front-running style isn't usually conducive to winning the gruelling mile-and-a-half NZ Derby.

Castlzeberg has come from nowhere to be one of the leading chances. It's been a whirlwind rise, and it's still just a little hard to be sure that it's legitimate. We'll find out for sure this Sunday, when he lines up against the mighty Habibi in the Avondale Guineas.

_ed_ 02-13-2013 04:49 AM

Once again, SO proud of Pinzaara. :)

my miss storm cat 02-13-2013 09:27 AM

Oh ed! I just watched it.... what a fantastic run!!!! Soooo close.

Congratulations. :tro:

It's like the Pinzaara / Pus$y O'Reilly show. :D

Thrilled for you and sorry you couldn't have been there.

edit - Forgot we cannot write the word *****. :eek:

_ed_ 02-13-2013 06:36 PM

WEISSMULLER

3 g Handsome Ransom - Belongs In Lights
Breeder: T Heptinstall & T Pivac
Owner: T Heptinstall, T Pivac, D Platt, Hivon Syndicate, Sold Out Syndicate & M Cummings
Trainer: John Kiernan
Jockey: Johnathon Parkes

4 starts
2 wins
0 seconds
0 thirds

Major races:
1st Wellington Stakes G3

Best replay to watch:
Wellington Stakes, Trentham, 19 January
http://www.nzracing.co.nz/RaceInfo/4...ce-Detail.aspx

Derby odds: 8.00 (3rd fav)

+ His two wins have been absolutely breathtaking performances
+ His two unplaced performances have been in races where the tempo didn't really suit his style - the Derby is more likely to be suitable
+ Full-brother to Travolta, 5th in the Derby last year, and connections believe he's better

- Even if the races weren't run to suit, he finished further back than you'd like to see in those other two races. If he'd run a similar race to the ones he produced in his wins, there's no way he'd have finished so far back in those other two. So there's a real element of inconsistency in his performance.
- He's never raced the Ellerslie way around before.

The real enigma of the Derby trail this year. Is the dominant Wellington Stakes winner the real Weissmuller, or is the distantly beaten effort in the Waikato Guineas a more accurate reflection of his true ability? It's really too soon to say. But if he's as good as he looked at Wellington, he's going to be a huge chance in the Derby.

my miss storm cat 02-14-2013 10:14 AM

Opie has the Castlzeberg mount on Sunday? Did something happen to Danielle Johnson or is it just cause he's, well... Opie?!

NICE field. It'll be interesting to see who ends up in 2nd and 3rd.

I'm assuming you're going... if so please blow a kiss to Shuka. I know Silent Achiever wins this but he has such heart (.... and since he'll be right behind her...). :)

_ed_ 02-14-2013 04:30 PM

Yep, I'll be there! Can't wait. I'm not totally sure about Silent Achiever, actually, although I really want her to win. It's a sprint distance, her first start since November, and she's carrying a massive 61kg against a nice field. It's not going to be easy!

They've just decided to give Opie the mount for this race and the Derby. I can't blame them, I guess, but I feel sorry for Danielle. She rode the horse perfectly in the Guineas.

_ed_ 02-14-2013 05:11 PM

ZINKO

3 g Shinko King - Tio Zinnia
Breeder: H W Perry & T W Archer Trust
Owner: M L O Williams, D Biddlecombe, I J Gray, D Jenkins & R Lawgun
Trainer: Moira Murdoch & Dominic Olson
Jockey: Leith Innes

6 starts
1 win
3 seconds
1 third

Major races:
2nd Waikato Guineas G2
2nd Wellington Guineas G2

Best replay to watch:
Waikato Guineas, Te Rapa, 2 February (2nd)
http://www.nzracing.co.nz/RaceInfo/4...ce-Detail.aspx

Derby odds: 10.00 (5th fav)

+ He's never run a bad race, no matter what grade. He's always right there at the finish.
+ Pedigree suggests the Derby distance should be totally fine.

- He just never seems to win! His only win was a maiden back in early September.

Running great races in stakes level from September all the way through to February, Zinko has been one of the more admirably consistent 3-year-olds throughout the season. There's no reason why he won't continue that and run another huge race in the Derby. But his inability to win these big races so far makes it hard to see him score a breakthrough win in the Derby. It's going to be a tough ask. But a solid placing is not beyond him at all.

my miss storm cat 02-14-2013 05:28 PM

Oh I like him. Hope he does well!

_ed_ 02-17-2013 04:24 AM

Valbuena! At 35-1! Oh wow. I've always liked him, but really didn't expect that.

Good performances just behind him by Castlzeberg, Habibi, Choice Bro and Zinko.

my miss storm cat 02-17-2013 12:24 PM

That was insane the way he just had another gear!

Great race, thrilling run by the winner! Castlaeberg? What a tough horse!!!

What the announcer said about Habibi finishing "probably closer than what she was entitled to on the home turn... she was a looong way back"... nice thing to say cause it's so true, love watching Choice Bro with that big blaze and Zinko I just love for no reason at all.

Haven't watched any other replays yet but was happy to see Danielle had a win. :)

What's next (... oh and any news on plans for Veyron by the way? Haven't seen a thing)?

Thanks in advance and wow, how much fun was that being there in person??!!

Lucky!

_ed_ 02-18-2013 03:03 AM

It was amazing! Really great experience. And NICE resuming run by Silent Achiever. :) She ran the fastest last 600m of the day.

Veyron is running next week in a G1 at Otaki... a race also featuring Ocean Park and Final Touch. :eek:

_ed_ 02-18-2013 03:11 AM

No prizes for guessing who we look at next...

VALBUENA

3 g Darci Brahma - Vega Sicilia (G1-placed mare)
Breeder: Pencarrow Stud (P & P Vela)
Owner: Pencarrow Stud (P & P Vela)
Trainer: Bruce Wallace
Jockey: James McDonald?

6 starts
2 wins
0 seconds
0 thirds

Major races:
1st Avondale Guineas G2
Late-finishing 5th Wellington Stakes G3
Late-finishing 6th Great Northern Guineas G2

Best replay to watch:
Avondale Guineas, Ellerslie, 17 February
http://www.nzracing.co.nz/RaceInfo/4...ce-Detail.aspx

Derby odds: 6.00 (equal 2nd fav)

+ Sensational win in the Avondale Guineas yesterday
+ Pedigree suggests strong stamina, and that's backed up by that performance yesterday in his first attempt around two turns

- Fluke? Can he possibly do this again in the Derby?

This beautifully bred gelding has caught the eye with several of his performances - a big maiden win at Hastings in October and some strong late bids over unsuitably short distances since - and he's always looked like a good horse in the making. But no one could have expected him to do it so soon. At 35-1 and against the best field assembled so far on the Derby trail, Valbuena produced an explosive breakout performance to dent some big reputations and create one of his own. But can he do it twice in a row? Or is this Derby still going to come too soon for a horse who maybe still isn't quite the finished product?

my miss storm cat 02-18-2013 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _ed_ (Post 916370)
It was amazing! Really great experience. And NICE resuming run by Silent Achiever. :) She ran the fastest last 600m of the day.

Veyron is running next week in a G1 at Otaki... a race also featuring Ocean Park and Final Touch. :eek:

Thanks and wow some race that will be!

Good for SA. :)

Off topic but live Muse concert going on right now, didn't start too long ago, in the event you're on.

http://www.youtube.com/user/LoveLiveTV?v=arxSonpkAtQ

edit - Lest I forget, congrats to MDP, Mr. 500!

_ed_ 02-18-2013 07:42 PM

Wow, cool! I missed that, but I'll find a video. Sounds like they played some great songs - Dead Star for the first time in 3 years!

_ed_ 02-19-2013 03:04 AM

CHOICE BRO

3 c Choisir - Ladidi
Breeder: R Pietrykowski
Owner: G Wright, K Jones, R Edwards, G Burgess, L Topic & S Saric
Trainer: John Sargent
Jockey: Jonathan Riddell

12 starts
5 wins
1 second
1 third

Major races:
1st Sires' Produce Stakes G1 (2yo)
1st Karaka Mile
4th Avondale Guineas G2

Best replay to watch:
His spectacular win resuming after a seven-month lay-off, Awapuni, 12 January
http://www.nzracing.co.nz/RaceInfo/4...ce-Detail.aspx

Derby odds: 10.00 (5th fav)

+ Proven class - the only G1 winner in the field
+ In superb form, with two amazing wins in his first two starts this prep, then a solid and close fourth in the Avondale Guineas
+ Powerful-looking colt who physically looks suited to the distance.

- His pedigree screams sprinter, miler at best.
- No horse has won the G1 Sires at 2 and the Derby at 3 since Satisfy in 1987.

One of the best 2yos last season, it's been great to see Choice Bro come back in such great form so far this summer. But there remains a huge question over his ability to run the 2400m of the Derby. That's likely to be the deciding factor in whether he's in contention as the field roars down the home stretch.

_ed_ 02-19-2013 09:14 PM

Pinzaara to run on the Derby day undercard! :eek:

_ed_ 02-20-2013 05:17 AM

FIX

3 f Iffraaj - Destined
Breeder: Frantic Bloodstock & Haunui Farm
Owner: G E Harding
Trainer: Ken & Bev Kelso
Jockey: Mark du Plessis

10 starts
6 wins
0 seconds
2 thirds

Major races:
1st Eight Carat Classic G2
1st Royal Stakes G2
1st Sir Tristram Fillies' Classic G2

Best replay to watch:
Sir Tristram Fillies' Classic, Te Rapa, 9 February
http://www.nzracing.co.nz/RaceInfo/4...ce-Detail.aspx

Derby odds: 6.00 (equal 2nd fav)

+ She's looked amazing winning three G2s in a row.
+ Has loads of courage and determination - tough battles down the stretch seem to bring out the very best in her.
+ Undefeated in three starts at Ellerslie - two at G2 level.

- Although Silent Achiever did it last year, fillies don't have a great winning record in the Derby in recent years.
- She's yet to race against the boys in stakes company.
- Slight doubt over her stamina.
- Rider Vinnie Colgan chose Habibi

The Derby was never really considered as an option for Fix until recently - she wasn't even nominated, and now her connections have to pay a more than $20,000 late-entry fee. But her entry adds a ton of interest to the race, as she brings into it a fantastic string of wins in some of NZ's strongest 3-year-old-filly races. She's been outstanding, and she has earned her chance in the big one. If she can run out a strong 2400m, she's going to be hard to beat - she's proven she's an ultra-competitive filly with a huge amount of ability.

my miss storm cat 02-20-2013 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _ed_ (Post 916567)
Pinzaara to run on the Derby day undercard! :eek:

Fantastic!!!!!

Good luck, ed!!!

Thanks again for all your hard work. At this (early) point if one horse were to upset would you have one you'd want it to be?

I think as of right now mine is Zinko. Cannot see him beating a few of the probables BUT right at this moment? It's a fun thought!


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