I am pretty positive I am not a victim of a scam. These guys are my neighbors and I have known them for years. Plus I have bet with them before and I have gotten my money or my losing ticket. But thanks for your concern.

Ever see the movie--House Of Cards--great movie.

No retraction. All I know is you didn't buy it for IEAH.

Well sorry about losing the money but that is gambling. Losing money is no big deal, but getting scammed out of it is not good. It has happened to me so I have to admit I was a sucker once.

Thanks Cajun. Buck loves jumping. His owner told me that he would take care of me. I am just going to trot all the jumps for now. Buck is still getting back into shape and can't do tight canter circles yet. So we are going to take it easy and stick to trotting. Only two in our class so I am at least going to get second! (Unless I fall off that is.) We are just in the beginners.

Let me know how your lesson goes!

Ain't that the truth... I'm an expert on anything car related though, so I won't ever have that problem.

Exceller, you are really full of ****. Here you say you're betting these horses REGARDLESS OF ODDS. Now, you say you didn't bet it because the odds were too low. That's actually the right way to gamble, but frankly I don't think you're wise enough to know it. Unless of course it's after the fact and your horse has already lost; then it's easy to say you didn't bet it. Go ahead, make the next phone call.

Here is what we hand out in our dealership. It is from SmartMoney.com

There are two types of certified preowned vehicles: ones that are backed by the manufacturer and ones that are certified by someone else. Dealer-certified cars tend to have less-stringent inspection policies and shorter extended warranties than manufacturer-certified vehicles.How can you tell the difference? First, only a branded dealership can sell its own manufacturer-certified vehicles. So if a BMW dealer is trying to sell you a Mercedes, or if you're shopping at an independent lot, you can be confident that the vehicle in question is dealer-certified. It's also a good idea to ask to see all the paperwork that guarantees the car is backed up by the manufacturer, says Karl Brauer, automotive expert with Edmunds.com.

Your point? I used to work for Nissan... I know how that works.

I was betting $250 today. That is what I budgeted. The first horse lost. I didn't bet the second because at 3-5 what is the point in betting $100. To make $60. I originally was betting $250 on the horse in the first at Churchill and then dumping it all on Ministers Bid. Now I am betting a late double at Belmont for $100 using Ministers Bid and Mascot. I bet with real money. I don't go making up these $1000 and $500 bets I see here all day. You guys are full of it. You wouldn't be able to pay for your computers let alone the electricity if you guys were really betting that type of money. What are you all independently wealthy? LOL.

My point is that not all used car dealerships are bad. The fact is buying a brand new car is a complete waste of money.

That's true also, but there are advantages and disadvantages to both.

No, not wealthy (at least I don't think so), but I've been working a long time and I've done ok. Exceller, you've got to get this gambling thing down a bit better. I'll even let you in on a few of SentToStud's secrets of successful horse wagering...

1. First, by "budgeting" a set amount, you're limiting upside and you cannot do that. After all, if you like 3 horses that are 2-1, 2-1 and 10-1 and you've gone through most or all of your "budget" by the time your 10-1 rolls around, you're gonna want to kill yourself when that 10-1 wins.

2. Never bet to place or show.

3. If a favorite looks deserving and looks fair value, it probably is. Pass the race. You'll lose in the long run betting on or against deserving chalk.

4. The key to making money is to set your own line. Lots of people know this. However, that effort alone is useless unless you are able and willing to wager more as the odds on your selection increase vs what you determined as fair odds. For example, If you are willing to bet $100 on a horse if he goes off at 5-1, you MUST be willing to bet MORE on your horse at 6-1, 7-1, etc.. This is single the most important factor in making money on horse race wagering. If you truly have family in the bookmaking business, ask them about this. Nothing makes a bookie's ass twitch faster than a larger than average wager from a customer on a longer priced horse. If they tell you this isn't true, they're lying.

Hey genius, you ran your mouth and called me a liar yesterday. Now you give your best imitation of a backpeddling coward. Fact is that they werent the original owners of the horse in majority, Sandy was. Sandy's not just a client, hes a friend. I found the horse, called Ricky and Sandy, negotiated it and got her under contract, then had to arrange a weird shipping deal as there was a quarantine going on at the time for Florida shippers who werent being allowed into NYRA. She had to go to the NJ stable of Ricky's at Monmouth until they lifted the ban.
Yesterday you were using words like liar, today its a little more wishy washy. Problem with guys like you is that are nowheer near as clever as you think you are. You make false accusations and threats, and then after a while you see that you goofed and don't have enough courage as a man to say you were wrong. Thats ok, guys like you are a dime a dozen.

I know when I am wrong. I am just trying to ignore you, like the other smart people here. You make too many personal attacks on people. I will ignore your posts, do me the favor of ignoring mine.

I am not a great gambler, that is why I set budgets. I anticipate losing what I bet. I have a percentage of a couple of horses and I have been told I can expect to lose money there too. I don't mind losing, horses are my entertainment.

Irregardless, you said slanderous things yesterday regarding Oracle's career, and you should learn to put your foot in your mouth when necessary. JMO, but I would apologize for that... smearing someone else's name doesn't make you look any better.

Ok thats fine. When you wanna call me ***hole or anything else, hey thats fine, everyone has an opinion. But when you come on here and call me a liar about matters of business I have a right to call you out. I've tried to get along with you, don't really think you are a bad guy, and don't have anything against you until you start with the falsehoods. I just figure that a guy who calls another guy a liar and tells everyone he is gonna start making all those phone calls and what not ought to at least come back and say he goofed. You said you were wrong and thats fine by me. The matter is closed.

Probably the best and most accurate post you ever wrote. Noone should ever go to the track and expect to win money, and you should always take what you can afford to lose, because you always have to anticipate a worst case scenario.

I expect to win EVERY SINGLE TIME.....otherwise, I wouldn't be going

See Spot. See Spot run.

1. Wrong. Wrong. And, Wrong again (it happens to everyone ... face up to it).
2. Delusory Omnipotence Syndrome (aka DSP ... one hard slap by Mother often cures)
3. Thinks he knows "people in the know." (who doesn't? it's meaningless)
4. Budget? Budget?? (End of the day and your 5-1 play is going off at 10-1? and you want to talk about your budget??!!?? HUH??).

I can say whatever I want, it is a chat site. If I had a dollar for every bad thing Oracle said about someone I would be retired. I am not some coward that allows people to push me around. Unfortunately, a few people here put up with that crap.

Ummm, in your experience, lol, how have the results held up against the expectations Scav? LOL! I mean, I understand what you are saying, its great to have a potive attitude and confidence, If you don't have any confidence chances are you won't do well in any avenue of life.
But reality also has to play a part in this. Quite frankly I looked at the card today and told Lans that there was no way I thought I could catch the pik-6. Just didn't look like one I was comfortable with playing. Not every day is gonna be "your" day, one of the keys is to try and identify what days might not be your day, and just say I'm passing today.

I admit I am wrong when dealing with people that admit when they are wrong. Oracle has never been wrong about anything in his life. From the first time I posted here Oracle went off on how syndicate owners aren't really owners and how we think we are. Guy is a jealous jerk. Probably couldn't come up with the money to buy into a horse anyway.

Of course you can say whatever you want. Just don't expect anyone to respect you if you can't respect other people. NOBODY pushes me around, by the way. ;)

last Sunday's Arlington's card was that way....Had to go out there because it was fathers day but I just sat there and made 10 cent super bets that were off the wall because the card was horrible.....Los Al puts on better cards then last Sundays

Why do you always bring this up? Who cares? The truth of the matter is, once that racehorse is retired, do you still own it? Does it stand stud at your farm of choice? Just wondering...

I never accused you of not being an owner. I never accused you of not having a part in a couple horses with your group. I wished you luck with those horses and meant it(its a damn hard business and game, anyone in it needs all the support anyone can offer and kudos for actually playing the game).
I think there is a big difference between telling someone their opinion on a horse is bad, and calling someone a liar and accusing them of a falsehood that is business related. I can be course, I can be aggravating, but I never call someone a liar or tell them they arent who they say they are,etc. There is a very big difference between the two. And I think that 99.9% of the folks here would rather be called an ***hole than be called a liar.

Yes I still own my horses when they retire. What kind of question is that? It would stand stud at whatever farm they decide on. Would I get a check for the money he made in his stud career? Of course. If they didn't even have a stud career I would keep the horse. These aren't cheap horses. Lets say my percentage on each costs more than a new car. If I wanted to own an entire horse I could just buy some claimer and when his career is over send him to be slaughtered. I just prefer the better horses.

Look, I never once said that, you are lying again. Go back and show me the post where I say that syndicate owners arent really owners. They damn sure are!!! I told you a funny story about syndicates(and I remember it well) and you have tried to twist that into me saying something else. The story was meant to be funny and believe me, it is funny if you are ever there.
The story I related was that ocsacionally up here you will run into two-three maybe four people in one night out that tell you that their horse is running tomorrow. YOu ask him who it is and they all say the same name. Its truly a funny story that actually has happened because to those hwo dont understand syndicates and how they work, they scratch their heads and say but we just met the guy who owns the horse at the last bar we were in. Its not a story that knocks syndicate owners, it was a story that shows how funny a night out here can be. Many owners(including Lans) start out as syndicate owners to get their feet wet and understand the business and the game. Its limited risk and by buying into a few of them at a smaller share you get to cover your ass better with less exposure, like a mutual fund as opposed to a single stock. Like a mutual fund the syndicate head acts as the fund manager acts. Selecting who to buy and sell, at what price, etc.
Now look, you can toss all the **** against the wall and hope thats oem it sticks, but the truth is I never said any such thing. Could we dispense with the bull**** and lies please?

Whatever. Right off the bat you started with your "I meet these syndicate owners all the time and they think they are owners" garbage. Aren't you a guy that gambles with other people's money. Why would I have any respect for a guy like that. If your picks are so great, put up your own money.

There you go lying again. YOu are twisting the words of the post I made around in order to try and suit your purpose. Go back and find it and post it. Make sure you read every word and the context in which it was spoken. Make sure you also find teh post where I wished you good luck with them. You just don't know when to quit.

mike - don't waste your time with this non-sense

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Ora you get a lot of grief from posters knocking you because of Lbigs investment on the Pk6s but this looks to me like this is a key element of yalls stratagy. Very good. The first time I have heard of this aspect of the partnership. A very astute view of Lbigs and very good of you to recognize this.


Well I mean really its just common sense. Betting 6-1200 every time there is a carryover is just way too rich for my blood. Thats why I have never tried to represent it as an equal partenership. I mean, I can't tell you how many people I meet who are partners in one of those syndicates who will say "My horse is running tomorrow". I mean, to represent it like that would have the listener assume that the person saying that owns the whole horse. Its just not true.
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Gales, the guy is making false statements and lying. Here is the exact post to which he keep referring. Find the part where I say anyplace that a guy who owns part of a horse isnt an owner!!! I can't stand liars. And this guy is a lying machine.

So you are the Dennis Leary of DerbyTrail?

Maybe I should be the one giving out handicapping lessons. For a guy that was told here how I don't know what I am doing, I just collected $750 for that Ministers Bid/Mascot double. :eek: