And we never know the whole story of anyones life. I just dont like what I have read... at all. Now I did see him spit on the fans in San Antonio. But we have some a-holes fans that were probably cussing him. Other guys seemed to take the crap lots better than Bird and refrained from spitting.

At least he did not fertilize half the female population in the U.S. like Shawn Kemp. All I know about Kemp is what I read. I dont know the whole story there either. But I can make a judgement that Kemp did not help in controlling world population growth. Heck he may be a heck of a good dad.

But I digress. I just like people that are good at what they do and SEEM like good people. I like Tiger Woods and Roger Federer a heck of a lot. I have read a lot of good things about them. But heck, they may be real jerks to the wife and girlfriend also.

fair enough...it's just like me hearing the behind the scenes things about Phil Mickelson make me dislike him...

Think the Cats out of the bag with Phil.
My brother in AZ said some stuff is loose.

and people were calling me crazy for saying what I was. I would have never said anything had my source not been reliable....

Kev... there is only so much playing around that an individual can do. Its like spreading the flu. Same with Mr. Jordan. Mr. Jordan is/was a nice looking man. Somebody is gonna brag. ANd it may not be true with Phil or Michael. I would not take the evidence to court but.... Too much of it from people unrelated with no reason to tar anyone.

Then again Bill "did not have sex with that woman..." lookin straight into the camera.

Lebron is very good. He is as physically talented as any player to ever play. But that does not put one in the elite company of the real players. Julius Erving has been mentioned maybe one time in this entire thread...and he has a championship. Lebron could be Dr. J maybe...

Stats stats. Lebron is Clevelands entire team... He would not have these stats on Dallas, Detroit, San Antonio. Allen Iverson stats on Philadelphia were incredible. Cmon, Bird has some players along with him and still had those numbers... incredible.

Where to start...
Steve Nash is a very good player ....who happens to thrive in a perfect setting. The team he is on fits him to a T. Push the ball, fill the lanes, very athletic but not a halfcourt team. Phoenix is a good team and they are fun to watch BUT they do not play the kind of interior defense that wins in the playoffs. The Spurs are a tough match up for them.

That being said, there is no way that Steve Nash is an all time top 20 player, not a chance. He simply cant match up on the defensive end in a half court game. He is a very good passer, makes few bad turnovers, has become a clutch shooter but is not in the same league as Oscar, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell, West, etc. He is very similar to Stockton. If you put him on the Grizzlies, we would not be talking about him.

As for the MVP, I think that Lebron and Gilbert are more crucial to their teams. If you take either one away the Cavs and Wizards are 15-20 win teams. With them they are deep into the playoffs teams. Phoenix would not be nearly as good as they are but they still have yet to make much of an impact in the playoffs WITH Nash.

Turd, Larry Bird could have scored 45 a game if thats what was needed. Guy was unstoppable, had unlimited range, great passer, uncanny instincts around the basket. He was fortunate to play with a team that had many great role players that allowed him to just create offense in many different ways. Imagine Dirk if he could pass and had a mean streak.