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repent 10-12-2006 01:14 AM
BroDerek is not a bad shipper.
He is just a bad racehorse.

there are plenty of nice Cal Bred stakes for him to run in.
no sense in going back to the BC and getting his as* kicked for the 2nd straight year.


Repent

repent 10-12-2006 01:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pdrift1
hes coming back off a long layoff you gotta give him a chance

why?
b/c he looked so good getting his as* kicked by another Cal bred that is going to be in the same race?

this is a horse that lost the freaking El Cajon or something stakes.
horses like Bob and John and Da Stoops beat him that race.

there is some precedent for a late developing 3YO Cal bred to win the BCC.
but thats not what this is.
he is a front runner that is successful against bad 3Yo horses when there is no other pace in the race.

I completely hate ppl like Randy Moss who b*tched endlessly about the bad trips he got in the KY Derby and the Preakness.
at some point, you have to stop blaming the circumstances and look at the horse.
I thought horses with speed were supposed to be able to avoid bad trips?
I thought that was the big inherent advatage in American dirt racing that speed gave you?

yet this horse always has an excuse as to why he cant win outside of Santa Anita racecourse.

just like I have asked with the Tin Man.
Please bet him.
bet him with everything you have.
b/c his Breeders Cup experience will be the same as it was last year when he tried the big time at Belmont Park.
NO CHANCE.



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Slewbopper 10-12-2006 05:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah his trip was bad in the Derby, but not half as bad as Sweetnorthernsaint, or Point Determined. He's good, but I agree with joel, he is a bit overhyped as of right now. I agree he should sit out the Classic and point for the Cal Cup. He could also have a very productive winter at Santa Anita, a track he is obviously very fond of.
He seems to be a horse that can't win outside Los Angeles. The Cal Cup Classic will be in Florida next year. I wouldn't pencil in a win for him just yet. His record at SA/Hol is 7-6-1-0. At other tracks, including Delmar, it is
5-0-0-1 with 4 fourths.

boswd 10-12-2006 08:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Eyes
OK, so why the hell didn't his trainer ship him for those races??? The horse has proven he's not a great shipper. Why ship him out of the state to lose???
Hendricks did say that he hated shipping Brother Derek and would prefered not too for the big summer races. He briefly considered the Haskell. This is a mindset I don't believe in. If you have a talented 3 yr old that can definiltly win some of those races, you have to ship him. Outside of the Swaps there are no major races for the 3 yr olds. If you want to prove his worth you have to ship to the East there is no way around it. You can get away with it if you have a talented older horse since Cali has alot of great races but for 3 yr olds there is no option besides some really weak San " something" stakes at Del Mar.
I think he did this horse wrong this year.

boswd 10-12-2006 10:02 AM
I honestly believe we don't know how good this horse really is either way. I will give him the bad trip excuse in the derby and he still finished a respectable 4th. Preakness, he just got his butt whipped no excused sorry. His Del Mar race was coming off a way tooo long of a layoff and is a toss even though he did face really bad competition. Bad move on Hendricks.
He has showed a lot of talent going into the Derby. And has been poorly managed since then. Until we see Brother Derek on a normal schedule we will have to wait to determine whether or not he just a good So Cal horse or a good national horse.

pdrift1 10-12-2006 10:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by repent
why?
b/c he looked so good getting his as* kicked by another Cal bred that is going to be in the same race?

this is a horse that lost the freaking El Cajon or something stakes.
horses like Bob and John and Da Stoops beat him that race.

there is some precedent for a late developing 3YO Cal bred to win the BCC.
but thats not what this is.
he is a front runner that is successful against bad 3Yo horses when there is no other pace in the race.

I completely hate ppl like Randy Moss who b*tched endlessly about the bad trips he got in the KY Derby and the Preakness.
at some point, you have to stop blaming the circumstances and look at the horse.
I thought horses with speed were supposed to be able to avoid bad trips?
I thought that was the big inherent advatage in American dirt racing that speed gave you?

yet this horse always has an excuse as to why he cant win outside of Santa Anita racecourse.

just like I have asked with the Tin Man.
Please bet him.
bet him with everything you have.
b/c his Breeders Cup experience will be the same as it was last year when he tried the big time at Belmont Park.
NO CHANCE.

repent my statement was not alluding to him winning the classic ever, it was that this horse came out of the el cajun horrible and i knew he was better then that race and he proved it with a better run race in the goodwood, and feel he has stakes capabilities out west, thats all

Repent
repent my statement was not alluding to him winning the classic ever, it was that this horse came out of the el cajun horrible and i knew he was better then that race and he proved it with a better run race in the goodwood, and feel he has stakes capabilities out west, thats all. and yes speed should put you up front in most races but not absolute when you brake from the 19 hole for christs sakes along with all the bumping he endured

dr. fager 10-12-2006 10:20 AM
for what it's worth...he was nominated for the Ok. Derby on Oct. 20th....I'd much rather see him here. (off espn)

King Glorious 10-12-2006 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dr. fager
for what it's worth...he was nominated for the Ok. Derby on Oct. 20th....I'd much rather see him here. (off espn)
I don't think that means anything. I think that was just a trainer doing what he's supposed to do and nominating for everything with a good purse that he's eligible for. I'd bet 1/9 against seeing him there.

pgardn 10-12-2006 12:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by repent
BroDerek is not a bad shipper.
He is just a bad racehorse.


Repent
Remember this is coming from the guy who thought Smarty's TC run was complete luck. Strong opinions, sometimes bizarre. But we like him.

Blue Eyes 10-12-2006 04:37 PM
[quote=boswd]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Eyes
OK, so why the hell didn't his trainer ship him for those races??? The horse has proven he's not a great shipper. Why ship him out of the state to lose???[/QUOT

Hendricks did say that he hated shipping Brother Derek and would prefered not too for the big summer races. He briefly considered the Haskell. This is a mindset I don't believe in. If you have a talented 3 yr old that can definiltly win some of those races, you have to ship him. Outside of the Swaps there are no major races for the 3 yr olds. If you want to prove his worth you have to ship to the East there is no way around it. You can get away with it if you have a talented older horse since Cali has alot of great races but for 3 yr olds there is no option besides some really weak San " something" stakes at Del Mar.
I think he did this horse wrong this year.

The man hates shipping this horse for a reason. Some horses don't handle it as well as others. Hendricks knows this horse better than anyone and obviously realizes shipping is not this horses' forte.

Slewbopper 10-12-2006 05:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
No you're thinking of the Sunshine Millions. I'm talking about the Cal Cup. Sunshine Millions is Fla and Cal breds competing in races against each other at Gulfstream and Santa Anita and its sometime in late January. The Cal Cup is a series of races for only Cal Breds, held at Santa Anita in late October I think.
I just reread what I wrote and thought "Duh". In that case, I wonder if Hendricks will ship to Gulfstream for the Sunshine Million.

repent 10-13-2006 12:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
Remember this is coming from the guy who thought Smarty's TC run was complete luck. Strong opinions, sometimes bizarre. But we like him.

well,
I hated smarty jones b/c he took my money.

I hate Brother Derek mainly b/c his supporters have all kinds of excuses except for the one true excuse that makes sense(he is just plain slow).


Repent

ateamstupid 10-13-2006 01:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by repent
well,
I hated smarty jones b/c he took my money.
The truth finally comes out! :D

oracle80 10-13-2006 05:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pgardn
Remember this is coming from the guy who thought Smarty's TC run was complete luck. Strong opinions, sometimes bizarre. But we like him.
Pgardn,
yes we do like Repent. His opinions may be strong and sometimes controversial, but really hes always a good read. I mean what would you rather have? Some 300 pound overlysensitive girly man crying about the same girl every day? Or our man Repent who has actually turned in those he feels would conspire to hurt this country to the Federal authorities!! WOO HOOO!!!!!
Repent may have set a record for going from 0-60 in horse racing knowledge in just about 3-4 years. He started out knowing nothing and has grasped many things that I've seen guys unable to grasp after 20 years of watching races. Repent is ALWAYS ok in my book.

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-13-2006 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Pgardn,
yes we do like Repent. His opinions may be strong and sometimes races. Repent is ALWAYS ok in my book.
oh no here we go....mike i dont think the world can take more like you..you broke the mold...we all know what i mean..lol

oracle80 10-13-2006 06:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
oh no here we go....mike i dont think the world can take more like you..you broke the mold...we all know what i mean..lol
Hooves the guy has made me laugh so hard in the past that i have nearly fallen outof my chair. You gotta admit he can be pretty damn funny.

1st_Saturday_in_May 10-13-2006 10:02 PM
They're very likely to be Classic bound

http://bc.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=35801

GPK 10-13-2006 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May
They're very likely to be Classic bound

http://bc.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=35801

*GPK looks high and low...all over Dustin's signature....looking for that Steelers record that used to be there:eek: :eek: :eek: *

1st_Saturday_in_May 10-13-2006 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GPK
*GPK looks high and low...all over Dustin's signature....looking for that Steelers record that used to be there:eek: :eek: :eek: *
LOL!!! Maybe it will return in a few weeks, but things arent looking good at all for the Champs :(


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