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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 758023)

I know he just sent out a stakes winner on 6 days rest to win again. And Pat said american trainers and stock couldnt do that. The guy ran Golden Man 3 times in 10 days

Not only win again, but the stick wasn't needed. That field wasn't very good though and that filly loves to win.

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 757834)

That's fine, but start somewhere with an established framework of what constitutes eligibility for license revocation or similar exclusion. Because the inclination to single out individuals based on perceived image isn't right or fair. And more importantly, because it may not be accurate.

I'll reiterate that there are individuals and operations out there doing things far worse than whatever people think Dutrow, or IEAH for that matter, are doing. Those just seem to be convenient pinatas for the public and media and low-hanging fruit for regulators. In the meantime, the wolves in sheep's clothing operate freely.

There is a well documented framework at play in NYS though most cases come from the Harness side of things.

And I have to disagree that Dutrow is being singled out here. We all talk about the glory years and such but the truth is that when the stewrds ruled with an iron fist there is no doubt in my mind that he would have been sent packing long ago and probably would not have been alone. At some point a standard has to be created and if this is the one, so be it.

I don't know that trainers are afforded the same "rights" other than due process anyway. We are guilty until proven innocent in medication cases and in NY and other jurisdictions are prodded into not contesting suspensions with the threat of additional time or in some cases twice as much time for simpy asking for a hearing. Guilty and more days if you try to prove innocence.

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 757832)

Trainers most certainly can be banned for 'drugging' horses, with the most egregious and serious of narcotics, and I know of no jock whose personal drug use resulted in a lifetime ban. As in every case with this topic, generalizations cannot be applied. As has been discussed this week with Migliore, Haskin and Allday, the problem you have, specifically with Rick Dutrrow, is that suddenly saying after the fact that previous history is now part of a new penalty, is patently unfair... The 'double secret probation' mentality.

You want to admonish him and set up a set of ground rules he's required to follow going forward, fine. That's fair. But the way this is being gerrymandered isn't right and won't hold up legally. Even Allday, who has had a very public breakup and fight with Dutrow, said that you better apply the same standards to EVERYONE if you're going to go down this road.

And has been said here before, there's several 'angels with dirty halos' around that get away with as much or more envelope pushing as Rick Dutrow. Would be curious to see the reaction of the public if some of them were dragged out into the spotlight. Dutrow brings a lot of negative focus on himself, but the doctrine of fair play has to be part of whatever attempt there is to provide an atmosphere of integrity in the sport.

i was thinking ron franklin was given that ban. last time i saw him mentioned, he asked to be reinstated and was denied.

edit~yep, just found this after googling:

(2007)

The Maryland Racing Commission yesterday denied the application of former jockey Ronnie Franklin to have his license reinstated although it granted the man who rode Spectacular Bid to victories in the Kentucky Derby and Preakness Stakes in 1979 the right to exercise horses.

Franklin, 47, began his career in 1978 and rose to prominence the following year riding Spectacular Bid to victory in the first two legs of the Triple Crown before losing in the Belmont Stakes to Coastal. Nine days after that race, Franklin was arrested for cocaine possession at Disneyland.

Struggling with drug abuse, Franklin had his license taken away by the racing commission permanently in 1992.

as for dutrow and handling this matter, i know he's not the only one. i think this sport needs to address this issue with several trainers, not just dutrow. to hell with pushing envelopes, or trainers who look at suspensions as vacations. there should be serious time and fines for serious offenses. it hasn't been the case, but it certainly should be.

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Originally Posted by paulo537 (Post 757933)

I expect Dutrow will get a minimum 6 month suspension and, more likely one year.

Will it hold in court? Nobody knows but how much is Dutrow willing and able to spend on legal fees to challenge?

That seems to be the real question to me.

wonder how many owners send him big horses after, ala steve a??

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 758160)

wonder how many owners send him big horses after, ala steve a??

A lot.. Winning is contageous

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 758163)

A lot.. Winning is contageous

yeah, it tells you just how serious the sport is about cleaning itself up when that happens.

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 758166)

yeah, it tells you just how serious the sport is about cleaning itself up when that happens.

Is it any different then East german female swimmers, Pro Cyclist, MLB players, the NHL/NFL, show jumping, the PGA tour with beta blockers, etc , etc?

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 758168)

Is it any different then East german female swimmers, Pro Cyclist, MLB players, the NHL/NFL, show jumping, the PGA tour with beta blockers, etc , etc?

so, you're suggesting that since there are other cheaters, none of them should be taken to task? i disagree. are we supposed to just put up our hands and say that's life, and give up? i don't think so. that's more turning a blind eye, isn't it?

owners would still win without crooked trainers. right?