Originally Posted by docicu3 (Post 637940)

At the risk of touching off a political nuclear explosion it should be said nonetheless that there is something wrong about this concept of a second layer of double jeopardy justice fueled and dictated by an employer who sanctions when the police have walked away from prosecution of Ben's behavior never mind enforcement.

Obviously I do not know what Ben has done, with whom and how much of it qualifies as decadent and/or immoral. If I had better access to exactly what went on perhaps I would feel differently but I have a problem when a punishment is levied when our judicial system did not feel that the standard for punishment had been clearly violated enough for even a TRIAL, never mind a finding reached that deems punishment appropriate for discussion.



I actually wish Ben would walk away and retire immediately and let the Steelers and the Commish scramble to explain how this turned into a lifetime vacation from the game and theft from Steeler fans of a pretty decent QB.

Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 637970)

Doc,
Living in Pittsburgh and being a season ticket holder I have followed this story pretty closely, I disagree. Even though there was not enough evidence to convict him of a crime(this time) it does not mean his behavior would or should be tolerated by any employer. There are at least 3-4 other indiscretions that have been substantiated around town that seem to be within his realm of behavioral possibilities. When your alleged best pick-up move is to unzip your pants, expose yourself and say "do whatever you want", you are not representing your employer very well. There is a consistent pattern of sub-human behavior which casts your business in a bad way you have to do something.
I also wish he would walk away from the Steelers and retire. IMO if he walked away or was not a pro athlete he would already be in jail or beaten to a pulp. Either way he would not be a exposing himself or forcing himself on star struck college co-eds.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 637973)

the double jeopardy model doesn't really fit here. and if it did, this would be more like triple jeopardy since the state declined to criminally prosecute him and all this followed.

think of it this way. if a doctor does something that jeopardizes their medical license, does the employer have no recourse outside whatever the state licensing board decides is appropriate?

do they have to keep employing that person?

Originally Posted by docicu3 (Post 637990)

I understand what your saying but in medicine it works the other way. If a doc does something outside of accepted practice patterns, the hospital pulls his privileges which forces the doc to comment on the events when he tries to renew his state license. A complaint filed is processed this way unless there is an immediate danger to the community like a guy who operates and drinks.

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 637971)

In a pathetic attempt to rerail this thread - ESPN reporting that Pittsburgh is shopping Big Ben for a top ten pick

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 637995)

If they are serious about trading Ben for a top ten pick, it would be in essence dumping him. I think its more smoke than anything else but I applaud the Steelers for their stance.

A two time super bowl winning QB that is in his prime and is arguably top five in the game (arguably) for one draft pick?

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 638006)

Why trade for a guy who will be out 6 games?

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 638011)

Well, it might just be 4 games. That aside, look at what you are getting in terms of talent. Look at his age. Look at his contract.

He will make 8.05 million in 2010. He will make a little over 11 million from 2011-2014 and will make a little over 12 million in 2015. Where are you going to find a two time super bowl winning QB in his twenties and be able to not only get away with a reasonable yearly salary but also not have to pay a giant signing bonus?

Regardless of how much of a creep i think he is, there is no doubt he can play. Taking away Manning, Brady and Brees, Ben is in the conversation with any other QB in the league and you can still build a team around him.

If you are the Bills or Browns, you wouldn't take him over what else is out there?

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 638006)

Why trade for a guy who will be out 6 games?

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 638006)

Why trade for a guy who will be out 6 games?

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 638012)

Baggage. No.

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 638015)

Well, thats another story. Regardless of how I feel about him, I would take a chance on him if I were a GM in the top ten. He is still young and still has a chance to redeem himself and become a better person.

I think you have a greater risk of Casey Clausen or Sam Bradford ending up being a bum.

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 638018)

By the way, the Redskins are now officially kicking themselves in the asz.

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 638019)

Throwing money around still hasn't bought Daniel Snyder a Super Bowl win let a Conference Championship. At least George Steinbrenner has some World Series wins.

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 638018)

By the way, the Redskins are now officially kicking themselves in the asz.

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 638022)

Ben would have gotten it worse behind that skins line than he would have in a jailhouse shower.

Still...a mere first round draft pick for roethlisberger? yeah, they are kicking themselves.

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 638028)

Given what they paid for a guy equally or more talented than Rothlisberger... they aren't kicking themselves at all.

I honestly have never thought Big Ben was anything more than just good though.

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 638028)

Given what they paid for a guy equally or more talented than Rothlisberger... they aren't kicking themselves at all.

I honestly have never thought Big Ben was anything more than just good though.