He is overweight and having issues getting down to riding weight

maybe rosario grew tired of the problems that seem to follow stauffer around?

How long for this Jocks agent world do you think Vic really is? You think he is Mr. Popularity on the back stretch? You think Garcia needs Vic to get mounts from Baffert? What happens in may when Baffert ships half his string to NY and MP?

I wonder if Joel is considering coming East and thinks Ebanks is a better fit for a potential move.

He really said he could do better with somebody else? Guess lil Garcia winning the biggest race of the meet had no impact whatsoever on this decision? Vic, I thought ya did a great job for him. Talented people get pretty weird sometimes. Having 2 jocks is just problematic. If you didn't have Marty, and, 2 weeks ago, Baffert offered you the mount on Misremembered...What would you've done? I mean, just saying. That's proly what's going on in J's head.

While he won a lot with Stauffer, he was not just another name. He was already winning races when Vic took over. He will continue to win a ton of races out there no matter who his agent is. That jock colony has deteriorated over the years and he picked up momentum. Gomez and Bejarano were always strong...but Pval went postal, Solis can't ride anymore, Nakatani continued to piss everyone off and left, Tyler Baze had his problems, Vic Espinoza is ok I guess. After that there isn't much so Rosario picked up the pieces.

Vic obviously was getting him great mounts and doing that part of the job well.....but one doesn't have to look to far to see what might have drove Rosario away.

that's what i was thinking...but what can you do?

that's a good question. ebanks dropped a couple west coast riders, vic said he wasn't interested in leaving cali....guess we'll see.

I think you hit the nail right on the head.

Michael Baze to Chicago for Arlington.

Why bad news for you, Scav?

Could be one of the reasons why he seems to take days off lately.

He isn't good.

Either way, I think things are gonna be different here this summer. I have heard that Von Hemel and Hobby will NOT be coming back. But that is a rumor. That is alot of horses to replace, 60-ish

So you've got a jockey that you don't like -- don't use him. I just thought from your initial response that there may have been more to it than that.

There is no difference between Baze and Karlsson...

One isn't banned for life...
one is

Alright, so I should expect him to have a pretty big summer again?

Say it anit so Vic!
 

Whats this we read about Joel going to Ebanks and Ebanks trash canning the Baze boys.

This just aint right.

You are shitting me that you think Karlsson had a big summer last year. And don't try busting out her recent Hawthorne hotness on me because you know it is a different league. She will yet again flirt with the Laviolette line

She had a good summer considering her loss of the bug, the fact that she's only a couple years removed from her first career win, and the fact that she still wasn't getting tons of good mounts. Of the top 10 riders at Arlington last year based on wins, she was 5th in win percentage and 5th in ITM percentage. That's certainly not a bad season, I would hope, or we'd have to start talking about your boy Timmy, who of the top 10 riders, ranks 9th in both categories.

The only Laviolette line I know is about how much personal hatred you have for him as a rider, never any numbers or anything or any good reason other than you felt wronged by him on occasion.

Either way, I certainly don't want to derail what promises to be an AMAZING thread with this. Will be happy to take it up with you the next time I see you, and you know how much that means that it's important for me to keep a thread on topic -- it has THAT much potential.

Vic did a fantastic job with Joel. He is a great rider and Vic was the first one to run out and be by his side when he went down last week. Garcia is a freakin awesome young rider ! Vic is holding pocket aces ! Best of luck to Vic, Joel & Martin ! :tro: