I said nothing of Bet on Sunshine but it takes some stretch of the imagination to draw Caller Ones 4 year old speed figures into a discussion of Honest Ladys trip. Especially considering Kona Golds relatively easy one in comparison. Your interpretation of race includes Beyer numbers in races after the fact which have really nothing to do with this trips in this race. I have watched thousands of races at CD going 6 furlongs and by far the most frequent type of winner is the horse who got Kona Golds trip in that race. The type of trip that Honest Lady got virtually never wins or even gets close except in occasions where the race totally falls apart which most certainly wasnt the case here.

At least you've moved away from the "honest lady was 10 wide and had horses stopping in front of her" insanity.

She was 2 wide on the turn - and came out and around horses in the straight without losing momentum.

Yeah - that's such a tough trip at CD - especially when getting a big pace setup to boot.

Since we have no video to verify it it is easy for you to make your claim. She lost all momentum. She swung 10 wide at the top of the stretch, she didnt jus blow the turn. But of course the chart caller just made that up. Yeah a lot of horses make up that kind of ground in track record times. 2 wide, please. How exactly do you go from 2 wide to 10 wide without losing ground or momentum. Even in the velodrome this is not possible.

Did the chart caller really have her 10 wide?

If so - I will laugh my ass off - and as you and everyone knows - the Kentucky chart caller at that time was always mocked for his wides.

I'll admit I'm not factoring them in here on this thread (basically because I don't have them in front of me). It just seems that you were knocking horses that actually got in dog fights to earn their victories, as though it is an inferior horse that actually has to reach down to get to the wire first.

In the case of the '88 Distaff, it also doesn't appear that you are considering the track conditions (sloppy track) that day. Maybe that has something to do with the low figures for the race. In addition, it could be argued that victory in less than ideal circumstances exalts the performance even more, though at the expense of "how fast" she ran.

Meanwhile, you drool over lopsided wins by Inside Information and Skip Away. Belmont in '95 was also a wet track, but IIRC it seems like the track played the way Monmouth did (favoring the lucky few who relished it and/or had the right style for it, while being insurmountable to those that couldn't handle it). In the case of Skip Away, he faced one of the weakest fields ever in the Classic and really had little to overcome other than getting around there safely.

I remember you were in love with this horse in some other thread, which is why I focused on her in another post. Even if she was so great that year, clearly she didn't run her race on BC day.

IIRC she had enough trouble knocking heads with At The Half and My Sea Castles during her career...

Loved the "all-world ankle biter" bit by the way. That's gotta be at least as accurate as the 120 Beyer for the Turfway BC...

It's the season for negative campaigning.

Lure breaking from the outside, getting wiped out on the first turn and still winning with ease tells me just how dominating a miler he was, especially on firm ground.