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Cannon Shell 10-06-2008 11:29 AM

I believe one of the Aga Khan's horses got a positive test at the 2nd BC at Aqueduct that they fought for a long time. I am assuming this is the same AK. May temper his enthusiam for the BC/

CSC 10-06-2008 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I always thought it was His Royal Highness, The Aga Khan.

I agree that the Euro's owe us nothing as far as supporting our races. The Arc is on the short list of the world's greatest races and winning that is much more desireable than winning the BC Turf. Also, there has to be reasons why no Arc winner has ever come over and won the BC. The Arc is a race that you usually have to be trained to the max in order to win it and having your horse set for that THEN shipping across the ocean as an afterthought to try to win another tough race is very hard to do.

Now, I do agree with Sniper that IF he was going to send her over, the Classic might be the spot since winning the Turf wouldn't mean as much after winning the Arc. But the fact that he doesn't care too much about the BC is pretty clear.

This is funny, The Breeders Cup can't even get one of their best horses "Curlin" to commit to their races, how can anyone expect The Europeans to be interested.

cowgirlintexas 10-06-2008 01:44 PM

Perhaps they could send her over to Australia and run in the Melbourne Cup..Now that would be awesome :)

The Indomitable DrugS 10-06-2008 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah, I'm sure racing fans in Europe are dancing in the streets at the prospect of one of their best horses in years retiring after 7 starts.

She's run six times at the same track - and once at some other track in France. It would be nice to see her atleast leave France.

I'm probably the only one - but it's very annoying watching races run over that course at Longchamp. How hard is it to build a circle one mile around and make them take left handed turns?

TheSpyder 10-06-2008 02:07 PM

Mr. & Mrs. Kahn....must have a big Kahn!


Bobby Fischer 10-06-2008 02:26 PM

they need to bring lady marmalade or somethin

give go between some real challenge man

at least have a real turf horse win it

i still don't think Go Between is really a champion , it would be pretty weak if he won the classic

King Glorious 10-06-2008 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
She's run six times at the same track - and once at some other track in France. It would be nice to see her atleast leave France.

I'm probably the only one - but it's very annoying watching races run over that course at Longchamp. How hard is it to build a circle one mile around and make them take left handed turns?

Interesting take. Europeans have been racing their horses since before the United States was a country but they should change the way they do it and conform to our ways? Since we continously kick their ass when it comes to grass racing, perhaps you are right.

Danzig 10-06-2008 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Look most likely the best in Europe will be 3 year old colts as the marketable good 3 year old colts will leave for stud. She cant race in the 3 year old colt races so she will be resigned to open female competition which will be a joke. What does she have to gain running 4 times against fillies and mares crushing them prepping for the Arc and hoping to beat the best new colt in the game? It's a tough spot and you kill your self if g-d forbid she takes a bad step and breaks down prepping for a race she has already run.. It's a tough spot I think I would breed her and give her a bunch of mints and smile alot knowing I owned one frickin fast filly. Of course as a fan I would love to watch her race but to use a often misused expression...She really has done enough!

i don't believe there would be a dearth of competition. ouija board certainly found many to try her mettle, and the same can be said here.
she has NOT done enough. seven races should never be considered enough, regardless of what one of those races was, regardless of the manner in which it was one.
and if we were all to tiptoe around with these horses because one of them might take a bad step, then we need to shut down the whole damned operation.

as for the oh so cushy life of reproduction for her as a broodmare, that's no guarantee of a long life.

matter of fact, i wonder how the % of breakdown/euthanizations each year for fillies and mares compares to all those who die each year from foaling complications? i think it would be an eye opener for many.

Danzig 10-06-2008 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I will also add, why should Euros care about our races? Do we care, or support, their races? I can relate to them coming over for money but there is no way any European owner has some kind of " obligation " to run here.

very true. that's why i said i didn't have an issue with him not heading for the bc. too soon, too far to ship after her race the other day. but certainly she could race next year.

it always just cracks me up tho when people take umbrage at the lack of top older horses due to early retirement--yet many of the same folks are so quick to agree with a horse having a grand total of seven starts as having 'done enough'.

pgardn 10-06-2008 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
That's "humor".

No actually it is "not".

pgardn 10-06-2008 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You're not funny. Stop trying to be.

You the judge of what's funny.
That is very funny... strange.

Put it in a translator.

pgardn 10-06-2008 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm too tired to play your games tonight. Go "try" and be clever with someone else.

Awww, Im awful sorry.
Try not posting dwebage.

Cajungator26 10-06-2008 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
See what I mean. Hilarious....

:zz:

I need a Coors Light to put up with this. LOL

pgardn 10-06-2008 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
See what I mean. Hilarious....

ジェイはカブである

freddymo 10-07-2008 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
very true. that's why i said i didn't have an issue with him not heading for the bc. too soon, too far to ship after her race the other day. but certainly she could race next year.

it always just cracks me up tho when people take umbrage at the lack of top older horses due to early retirement--yet many of the same folks are so quick to agree with a horse having a grand total of seven starts as having 'done enough'.

She a dominant grass champion and won the Arc which is the single biggest test of a champion. Where not talking about Bellamy Road were talking about a filly who would need to race against older horses.. I want her to run more as a fan but I would understand retiring her for sure.

GenuineRisk 10-07-2008 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

as for the oh so cushy life of reproduction for her as a broodmare, that's no guarantee of a long life.

That's a point- I don't know any women who would say being pregnant every year is a "cushy" gig.

She's the Aga Khan's horse; he can do what he wants, but it seems to me that very rarely does a really terrific filly replicate herself (I feel like Personal Ensign came closest, but still didn't produce anything close to what she was), so why the rush to breed, when likely the offspring won't run as well?

I know, I know... because the foals will sell for oodles of money before anyone finds out they don't run like their mama. I get it; money runs the game, but it doesn't stop a fan from being grumpy about it.

That said, can we please come up with some new descriptions for race callers to use besides "flying filly?" There must be some other alliterative adjectives. Fiery? Ferocious? Fearless? Fleet-footed?


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